IBS Interview Podcast: Kathryn Copper, Robbin Randolph & Perry Parks

January 8, 2023
Black Summit Interviews
Season 1, Episode #10 -  KATHRYN COPPER, ROBBIN RANDOLPH & PERRY PARKS 


In this podcast episode, Glenn Greenidge and Grace Lawrence interview  KATHRYN COPPER, ROBBIN RANDOLPH, and PERRY PARKS.  

Kathryn, Robbin and Perry are three of the Five OG’s (Five Original Facilitators) who facilitated the first IBS Annual Events starting in 1991 and created the IBS Facilitator Body and Facilitator Trainings.  This is a session that you don’t want to miss!

ABOUT THE INTERVIEWEES:
        
KATHRYN COPPER – Kathryn Copper has worked extensively in the school districts of Atlanta as a speech therapist working with younger students developing not only their speaking skills, but also their self awareness and self confidence. Kathryn is also a community leader working with a variety of groups and organizations, and supporting them in defining their organizational visions. Kathryn has a BA degree in Speech/Liberal Arts from the University of Louisiana-Monroe, a specialist degree from Ball State University (Indiana), and an MA degree in Speech Pathology. She has also served on the faculties of Xavier University, and Clayton State University.
 
ROBBIN RANDOLPH – Robbin Randolph currently works with the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on the Mobile Vaccine Team which was formed to bring COVID-19 vaccines and resources to underserved populations in Los Angeles County. She has a BA in Sociology, an M.A. in Urban Studies and is a certified parenting instructor. Robbin is a mother, grandmother, and an avid student of mindfulness practices including meditation, yoga and Buddhism. At 71 years old, her current interests are focused around transformation, everyday spirituality and exploring what it takes to thrive as one ages.

PERRY PARKS - Perry C. Parks, III, retired, formerly served as vice president of government affairs in the Southern California market for Comcast Cable Company. Perry also has served as a board member for Community Partners, Community Development Technologies Center, the Apple Academy Charter School, Challengers Boys Club, and Homeboy Industries. He received his Bachelor of Arts in education at California State University, Los Angeles and his MA in public administration at Pepperdine University.

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The views and opinions expressed by the person interviewed are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the International Black Summit.

Transcript

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Welcome to the International Black Summit. Interview Podcast. Tonight, we're going to be interviewing 3 of the original 5 facilitators of the International Black Summit.

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So if you're listening to us tonight on podcast. You're with us in the live screening.

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Or if you watch us later on, Youtube, this is going to be a very, very special session.

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I've been looking forward to this session for months, and I'm so glad that the 3 of them have agreed to be with us this evening so welcome.

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We really want to. We really appreciate you being here with us, whether you're familiar with the international Black Summit and you've attended our events.

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Or if this is something new, you you've just scrolled and come across that somehow on a podcast or on Youtube, we welcome you and we hope you find something for yourself of interest tonight.

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If we interview these really wonderful people. So my name is Grace Lawrence, and with me tonight is my co-host.

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Glenn Greenwich.

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And we're here

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And we are going

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And we're here to introduce the original facilitators of the International Black Summit.

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They started off and we'll start off with a little bio, Katherine Copper, young Catherine has worked extensively in the school districts of Atlanta as a speech therapist working with younger students, developing not only their speaking skills, but also self awareness, and self confidence

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Katherine is also a community leader, working with a variety of groups and organizations supporting them in defining their organizational visions.

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Katherine has a BA. Degree in speech, liberal arts from the University of Louisiana, Monroe, a specialist degree from Ball State University in Indiana, and Master's degree in speech.

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Pathology. She has also served on the faculty of Xavier University and Clayton State University. Over to you, Jackie Grace.

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Thank you. So, in addition to Catherine Copper Young, who's with us tonight, we also have Robin Randolph and a little bit about Robin. I'm just going to read a little bit here.

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So Robin Randolph currently works with the loss Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on the Mobile Vaccine team, which was formed to bring Kovat 19 vaccines.

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And resources to underserved populations, and Los Angeles County.

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She has a B a in sociology, an M. A. And urban study and is a certified parenting instructor.

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Robin is a mother, a grandmother, and an avid student of mindfulness.

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Practices, including meditation. Yoga and Buddhist.

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At 71 years old her current interests are focused around transferation, everyday spirituality, and exploring what it takes just thrive as one ages

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And the third person not last, but not least, is Mr. Perry Parks, the third retired, formally served as a vice President of Government affairs in the Southern California market for a Comcast cable company.

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Praise also served as a board member for community partners, community development technology Center.

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The Apple Academy, Charter School challengers, Boys Club and homeboy industries.

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These he received his Bachelor of Arts in Education at California State University, Los Angeles, and has a Ma.

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In public administration at Pepperdine University

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Please please join us by starting your videos. And I just

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Welcome, welcome, Katherine Copper, young Robin Randolph and Perry Parks.

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Thank you.

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Welcome, welcome! You can spotlight

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You can spotlight them as well

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Oh!

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There we go! Alright. We've got gang here.

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Welcome!

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It's so great to see you

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Can you see us? Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I can't see, Perry. I'm trying to figure out why

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I got him

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Go up, Perry, I come off on mute

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Virtually. Oh, there it is!

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Okay. Good. Great. Great. Well, welcome. Welcome. Now now for those of you listening.

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So these are the original facilitators for the International Black Summit.

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So, Jackie Grace, you want to start off with the the questions

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Sure sure sure. So you know the International Black Summit was created in 1,991.

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We all know that hopefully some of our listeners will know that, and and it's my understanding, because my first summit was in 1,999.

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So the summit had already existed for almost a decade before I first attended.

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And so that first annual event in Atlanta, 1991.

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My understanding is that there were 5 original facilitators, and that the 3 of you were 3 of those 5.

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Yeah.

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So just want to ask you about that first annual summit event in Atlanta, how you came to be there, what you know, what brought you there, and how you were selected.

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Be part of that original facilitation so why don't we start with Perry?

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Here, you! Why don't we start with you a little bit about that?

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Okay. Well, I you know the first summit was kind of an unfolding.

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I can't say that we actually knew what we were doing.

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You know, but and Catherine might remember some of this history better than I do

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Initially, I found out about a a meeting that was occurring in Chicago from a form leader that had, I think I don't think at this event, and in Houston, but it was where the the germination of the seed of the Black summit was born and and

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Neil Neil Mahoney told Anthony and I that there's something happening.

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And I think you guys ought to be there. So

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So there was a 3. A previous meeting in Chicago.

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Catherine, where you at the Chicago meeting

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Good. Yeah. Catherine was at the Chicago meeting, but the I'm talking about an event before that

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Okay.

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Okay. And so anyway, that's that's how I began to find out about it.

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That's how Anthony began to find out about it.

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And then there was a meeting in Chicago.

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I think that Catherine probably has a clearer memory of what happened at that meeting than I do, so I'll pass the baton to Katherine and let her develop it from there

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So I'm gonna respond to. I think the your question was, how did I start?

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My participation is that accurate

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Yeah, the question is how you, your first annual, your first summit event.

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And how were you? How did you come to be selected to be part of the the first facilitation team?

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Oh, okay. Well, back in 1990, a group of people participated and of course, call landmark education.

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It was called Productivity Service, and well being and at the end of that course there's always a celebration dinner.

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And so the people who were there. We're at dinner, and as up, most of the people on this video know that pad reporter and Aloma Marquis were in a conversation together.

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Loma had participated in a course prior to hours and Pat, reporter was in our course, and so they were talking.

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And this is what I know. I was at dinner at the table with my guests, with my family.

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Somebody came over, and said, Would you like to be on a call to to talk about spreading this kind of opportunity to our community?

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And in that moment I was a yes, I just said yes, and from that night I don't know.

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The word just went everywhere, and it went out to Perry.

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It went out to people in Chicago, and we decided to have a conference call and back in the day, you know, the technologists didn't, didn't hook us up well, so we knew that we needed to get together.

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And so we decided, Hey, let's meet somewhere with the people who had been contacted.

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And who were yes, and so we decided to meet in Chicago to begin to rainstorm about.

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Well, what what are we up to? And how we're gonna proceed from there?

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And during that meeting it's where I met Perry for the first time, and Perry came to the meeting by conference call.

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And like you said Neil Mahoney had introduced.

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Or had told him, and and Anthony about what we were up to, and he came to the call, curious to find out being a great spokesman, just like he is, and we weren't thrall with him, and that was the meeting where the people who weren't attendance.

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They're about I don't know. Maybe 1015 people who showed up at that meeting, and it was in that meeting that I was aligned on to be one of the facilitators, and Perry was aligned on to be one of the facilitators and and anthony right and Anthony so the

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Hmm, hmm, yeah.

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3 of us were aligned at that meeting, and they they brought into our consciousness this this fabulous woman on their team, who is Robin Randolph?

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Who they who they were saying, well, you all have to meet Robin, and we just know she has to be on it.

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And so when we decided to meet again in Atlanta, we invited Robin to be on that call, and Rin. You can go from there.

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How you said yes to that

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Oh, yeah, Brett Robin, I I want you to as you go into that.

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I just want to provide a little bit of context because we may have listeners who are not familiar with the International Black Summit.

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So when you talk about, and I'd like you to speak a little bit about this connection around transformation work.

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Robin given that you've said your yourself, that it's one of your your interests at this, at this stage in your life, so the context that I want to add here is the opportunity spreading this opportunity.

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What is that? Really and I think, Catherine, that you're talking about the opportunity around transferation work, the landmark course was transformation work.

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Hmm.

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What the international black sunlight does is transformation work. And and so, could you speak a little bit about that as you, as you talk about your exposure to the International Back Summit, Robin

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Well, the thing was as Katherine said, she connected with Aloma and Pat at the one of the landmark courses, and back in those days everybody who participated in the summit was had participated in in the landmark form or the the best to training and so what we

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Were looking at was, How do we bring this to the black community?

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And we had been doing that work in La for a while.

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They've been doing it in Atlanta, and I'm sure in Chicago we really wanted to bring this transformation work to the black community.

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So that's that's the background in the context of it.

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And you know I at the time I was married to Anthony Randolph.

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So, Anthony, you know. He went to the meeting in Chicago, and he came back and he said, Rob, you got to do this, and so that's how I ended up on the phone call in Atlanta, and I don't remember the phone.

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Okay.

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Call, but but luckily gracefully, I was aligned on, and I was also selected as one of the facilitators.

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The original facilitators. I think the other thing that's significant is that all 4 of us, Anthony Katherine Perry, and myself at that point had been trained as seminar leaders in landmark education, so that was something that we had in common and the very first year there were just 4

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Of us. It was as I said, Anthony Perry, Katherine, and and myself, and then at the at the end of the first summit, in 1,991 Jakuna came up to us and said he he was also I believe, a Seminar leader and he said oh, yeah.

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I'm gonna join you guys. So that's how we became 5

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So that's so interesting. You know. I've heard the story around the history and the creation of the summit so many times, and every time I learn something new, you know like I did not know that it was a team of 4 initially, and then it expanded to have J.

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Yeah.

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K. C 5, and I also think it's interesting. Let me ask you, was it a requirement that you all be seminar leaders in in in the landmark education?

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Organization

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We we did. We did, yeah, we we didn't have any requirements.

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I mean that that was what what brought us together was our participation, and landmarks work.

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We were all participating, and when this idea was presented, this opportunity, this possibility was presented.

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We brought what we had, you know, to you know, to the gathering, and so by circumstance, with the 4 the 5 of us had had all been seminar leaders, and we had been very successful.

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Seminar leaders, so so that that was just by happenstance.

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But it was out of our participation and the transformational work that you know.

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We came together at this particular moment

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I would also add that that was part of it. Was your leadership inside of landmark, because you you all had demonstrated leadership inside of landmark education being a semi director, and people look towards that as a way of okay, well, they should be able to lead us right as a our community.

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So I think that that was part of it, and certainly where I look from that was where I was looking from.

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Also, I just wanted to say that Neil Mahoney was a Forum leader at that time, and he had introduced the conversation to Perry and to Anthony prior to that something was going on as as things occur inside of any organization you hear about things and you try to put your people that would be aligned with

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That conversation in contact and so that's what they did with Perry and Anthony.

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And of course Pat, and was also part of that conversation, and Robin was added.

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So that that's that's kinda how the th.

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The first event was was getting formulated, and and and we haven't even talked about the first event yet.

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This is just the precursor to get things occurring

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You know I I think the other thing that was exciting about it for me was, you know, we were out here in La kind of operating.

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I'm on the same California bubble, I mean, we were doing our own thing out here, and we've been to New York for seminar leader events.

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So we knew that there were other black seminar leaders around the country.

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But we weren't connected in any kind of way. So so the work we were doing out here had a lot to do with creating a black community supporting people and coming into landmark and being trained as introduction leaders.

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Seminar leaders. We were working with the Councilman and on La City Council, bringing the breakthrough racing project to his district.

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But that was all kind of being done in an isolated way over here on the West coast.

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This particular opportunity, look like the opportunity to expand for me to expand what we're doing.

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So one we would be connecting with other black people across the country and other people that were engaged and committed to bringing transformation to the black community.

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So I think to me that was what was exciting and new in the, you know, in this first call.

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No, I didn't have a clue about how it was.

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Gonna, happen? Or how we were going to use as Katherine said, how we were going to organize it.

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Or what role that I was going to play in it. I just knew that I was excited about the idea and the possibility that as a community of black people and black leaders there was something available to us.

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That probably at that time I couldn't articulate, but I was interested in exploring and finding out more about it.

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Thank you. Thank you. So so let's then turn to advance.

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That we have, Glenn said. We haven't even got to the first event.

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The first formal annual international black Summit event. It sounds like they were pre-meeting free Conference call discussions leading up to it.

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There was a reference to Pat Re porter, the actual originators.

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So you guys were put of the original facilitation team, the Og 5 that we refer to.

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Hmm.

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But just to mention that there were 2 founders, pat, reporter, and Aloma Marquis.

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And so this was their Brainchild that led to then the the conversation, the conference calls the meetings, and then the first actual summit event.

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So let's talk a little bit about that first summit event in Atlanta, Georgia, October seventh, 1991, which is in the declaration that we that we generate and and read.

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So so that first event, and preparing as a facilitation team for that first event, did you need to prepare?

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Did you create a curriculum? Did you clear yourself?

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How did you? How did you prepare for that first event?

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There was. There was a whole bunch of talking

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A lot of talking, and and I mean and part of it. There was kind of a negotiation occurring in the background about

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You know. Well, there there was a whole question about okay. So now we're supposed to be leading this.

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Who who are you, you know, and and then who are you?

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I don't, you know. So so the first thing we had to do was get to know one another and I can't quite remember how.

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So it happens somewhat by phone. Good. Yeah. Do you remember? We we got together personally several times before that first summit and no one time.

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One time.

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One time.

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Yeah, so how do you look it? It was. It was a work in progress.

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There wasn't ever, I think, any settled design plan.

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I mean

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Harry, you know we talked the other day about the fact that we initially thought we were going to be using distinctions from landmark, and as time went on, landmark made it clear that it would not be appropriate for us to use their distinctions, and when I say their

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distinctions, since we were all seminar leaders, we were familiar with some of them, and so, Kat, I think you remember some of those details, but close, very close to the summit.

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We had to start all over and look at what it was we wanted to do.

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Do you wanna add to that

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Yeah.

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Well, what I'll add to it is, I was really I was really pissed off about that.

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Decision, right, that decision to not allow us to use the distinctions from the seminars pissed me off.

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No, wait a minute. Let me finish now. I think it was the best thing that ever happened to us, but my first reaction. Well, then, it pissed me off, and so for me at that point it was kind of like, you know you I'll do it myself.

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So that was kind of the reaction that we came in. I came into the first summit web about.

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Well, we don't need them, you know. We'll we'll figure I don't.

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I didn't know what we were gonna do, but I figured

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I wasn't gonna let that stop me

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And you did, okay.

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So this is a question for me, 'cause I had always thought that in that that that communication from landmark came later.

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So that came before the first annual events

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Yeah. I came a few weeks before the annual event

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Wow! Why, I thought it came years later.

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No.

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No, no, I I I you know the whole thing was clearly a process.

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We had 2 formal, you know, on site meetings prior to that annual event.

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We had lots of conference calls preparing ourselves, and I think one of the key meetings that we had was the meeting that we had. Together.

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We went to? Was it Perry's house

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Robinson in Pasadena

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When a week

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No, I think these were after we started working together. Yeah, yeah.

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That was after

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Remember, we met with Prema that was before would be sure.

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Am I? Yeah. In San Francisco? Yeah.

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Okay. It was prima. It was prima. That's right.

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Well, well, we know that we have to get ourselves centered.

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Justin in. Really, you know how to formulate, and we had a lot of respect for pretty much.

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He was African-american form leader, someone who led my form, who I respected highly.

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She was from in in the California area. So we she she opened up to meet with us, and we were very happy about that.

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One of the things that I that I also wanna say in this conversation is just like I was listening to pair, and he was talking about.

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You know he and Robin, and and and Anthony, and all the work that they had done in California, and one of the things I want everybody to know of all the people in the beginning we all had our own vision intention, and I think that's what made us really neat.

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And really special, because we all came together to support each other, because, as I remember, I didn't have any.

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My my whole thing was about family at the time, you know.

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Like, how do you have, you know, really effective communication inside a family?

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And that was very important to me, and the other thing since I had done that course productivity service, and well being, what was, what was fascinating to me was we had a great facilitator, and she allowed us there were only like 10 of us, and to communicate just she provided a clearing

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For communication. It wasn't anything like I had experienced in the form or any of the other work through landmark education.

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It was a clearing, so Pat had what she had. I had, what I had the other people had, what they had, and we could communicate, and I wanted that for the black community.

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That was what why I wanted to participate. I wanted to have a space and a clearing where people could communicate at that level.

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What was there for them, and and and be able to do it at an affordable price?

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That courts cost $3,000 flying to Houston, Texas, for 8 weekends.

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Wow!

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I wanted that kind of space available. Where, a bad in the black community could participate.

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So that was kinda like my driving force. And in in these all these years of of participation the other thing is is that we still weren't very clear about what we were going to do.

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We we knew we had sent out a communication for people to come, people from all over were coming.

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We told them that we were committed to the black community we were.

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We wanted to gather people who were committed to the black community.

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We wanted them to come to Atlanta so we could get together and see what the hell we were gonna do.

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And we thought an open form, like that would be the perfect space to do that.

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Now how that was gonna awful. I guess we did depend on us on our seminar leader skills.

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We depended on that we trusted. Now we did think that we could use some of those distinctions of landmark, but when we were told you know, and they were gracious enough to have a meeting with us, and to tell us we couldn't use their distinctions, but it's just

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it came late, and you know what, given what the question is this year?

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What is it to bring presence, presence? We had to bring some presence to that that first summit we had to just be in the front of the room and be present with people present with what they had to say.

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Whether they were good things, bad things, whatever presence I think. Now this is looking back.

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Okay, this is a looking back conversation. But when I, when I look at, and I'm speaking for me, what I stood in was my trust in Robin and Anthony and Perry out of the relationship that we had built thus far, and I think we were all very committed to that and I think that's

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been one of the the the grandest thing for me.

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One of the grandest things to me, and my participation is the relationship that I developed with them, and the trust that we have for one another.

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Hey! Oh, go ahead!

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Oh, no, I'm no. You go right here, Bob.

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Yeah, I was just kinda add cat, that I do know that we we came up with a couple of questions to start the conversation with, and and I don't remember how we came up with it.

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But the but the first question was, What is it to be? Black

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Yeah, you're right?

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Well, I think the first question we might ask as Hmm wh.

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What do you say about black people? I think, was the first question, and we started.

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We started filling boards up with what? What, what, what we say about black people, and it had all the thanks that we say about black people, and and all the things we see about black people, you can't trust them.

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They're lazy. They're steel blob, you know.

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All those things went up on the board, and then once we got all that up on the board, the question was, Who's saying that

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You know. So at that moment we had to look and see who was saying those things about black people, and who was saying those things about black people was us

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You know, so that that that was yeah, that that generation was.

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And and and those all, all that dynamic was part of what went into that that first weekend, and and it was out of that, I think, that the the formation of the declaration began to evolve.

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Do I have that right? Is that timing right, Cap?

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I'm not sure, actually

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But it was in that first weekend, and and I remember the first question

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Yeah, I can say that. I can say that I I I really everybody I don't remember.

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I I really don't remember. I can. I can give you snipp bits that we went up there, and and Rabbit say, Hey, let me tell you something.

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Robin was on was one of the 4. So you better be sure we had some questions going up there.

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Well, what?

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Okay, we had some and I'm surprised you don't remember, Robin, but we didn't go up to help not knowing what the hell we were going today.

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Okay. We had some questions, cause Robin was that for us? Right? Yeah.

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Absolutely absolutely the details. Robin had the details. Yeah, that's right.

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I remember you don't the details. We gonna have an outline

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We had outline, and and Robin was keep it in

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You might not follow the outline, but we don't have an outline, so I know, like, she said, what is it to be black?

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Yes, I also know that part of the conversation was, you know, people had an opportunity to say what their commitment was to the black community.

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Yes, I remember that

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If you all remember, I remember that was those were the those were the times that wha what was that term?

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Economic and empowerment that was really good. We had a lot of people, you know, in that domain, and and in terms of spirituality and relation, people wanting to, you know, have intimate relationships.

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You know, people really had an opportunity, and that first summit to say what they were up to, and what they wanted for the black community.

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But but one of the things that I think is very interesting about that first summit was, we called it the Blacks, not November.

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Now we have people from all over the United States, the the Caribbean Africa.

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We have people everywhere, and everybody did not refer to themselves as black, and I watch out.

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We went about 20 min straight. I'm not black.

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I'm not black I'm African, American. I'm trying to, daddy, and I'm so sensitive.

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About 20 min, and we just let we stood there, and we let people say.

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And there came. You got. Remember, this is like it, wasn't they?

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No.

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We did right, Glenn. You were. There was nothing like we did.

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No, no, it was nothing, nothing you did. Yeah, no.

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People just communicate about their whole. I don't know their whole mind thing about labels, and and how we are labeled by society, and what and how we label ourselves, and that all got communicated, and and there came a point where are you it was only just hey, we just one people we

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Just want people. It just got to that point. Do you remember anything about that?

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Any of you I mean Glenn. I know you were there, Robin

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Yeah, what what I was gonna say is, is that the first day was really about?

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Well, but I what I recall for for myself the first day, was really just having people speak themselves speak what they were up to.

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They prepare.

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Why? Why did you come to this? You know. Why are you here?

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You know you came out of a letter, you know you responded to, and and people just shared.

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The second day is when you guys had the facility to organize the different areas, subject areas which help to formulate the declaration.

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So we had a group on

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Economic development.

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Yeah.

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Economic development. We had. B, you know, business economic development. We had relationships.

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Relationships.

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We had all the different things, taking care of our our health.

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Media

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Youth. So we had all of these groups lined along the sides, and people had an opportunity to go visit those particular groups and and and mingle.

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And you weren't limited to that particular group because you could kinda meet this group and then go to another group that you had interested in.

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But all time networking, you know.

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But but to be clear, we didn't have it.

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That structured going in that's structure was develop real time.

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In the speaking and listening that was in the room on the first day.

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On the first day. Right? Yeah.

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It was given to us by what was occurring into the room.

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It wasn't like we planned that, and the fact that we had there were 5 of us gave us the room to be a gave us the capability to see 360 degrees of what was happening.

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There were 4 of us there

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4 of us. Yeah, okay. Gave us the ability to see 360 degrees of what was happening, you know.

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So we were generating and and designing on the fly right there in the room

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And I think for me the thing that I left that first summit with is that there was no one way to be black.

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It was just such a it was! It was so liberating because we had so many different kinds of people.

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There, all all black, you know. And actually, I think it was before.

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Well, I don't remember. Us calling each other African Americans back then.

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But did we? I just remember that it it and you know and I mean that from we had people that could have been white, who were out, who were black.

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Right.

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We had people that were from Africa, or or you know, it was this whole idea that there was no one way to be a black person, and that was just for me personally.

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That was really freeing

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Yes.

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Well, I think this is, you know, talking about the the groups again.

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Just new information for me. New information for me, just learning so much.

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So the the the groups, the topic area groups. So the one on the media, the youth health related.

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Yes, all of these different areas, business and and the economy.

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I I can see how each of those areas ended up finding their way and being expressed in the deck of the International Black Summit.

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So I'm actually wondering, Glenn, if this is a good time for us to bring up if we could actually bring up the one that's on our website, I could do, too.

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So for those who are listening, or who are watching on our Youtube channel, we have a website.

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It's black summit.org flat summit org.

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And on the website there is a page with the declaration of the International Black Summit, which was created during this first event in Atlanta, Georgia, in 1991, and in the Declaration itself it actually refers to the date at the end being Atlanta or the date and Location being Atlanta Georgia

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October the seventh, 1,991.

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Yeah, yeah, you go ahead and bring it up. I'm gonna set it.

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Am I bringing it up a glen, or are you okay?

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So so one of the things to to kind of remind or to speak to the people who haven't been to the summit, or certainly weren't at the first summit.

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So these groups set up, set up the conversation to create the the declaration of the International Black Summit.

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And so it started with in the room. It it more to one of the other rooms, and then and then 4 or 5 people.

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Aluba Day, and and Charles and the Charles Robinson.

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There are a couple of other people that W. Spent where in the we into the night word smithing.

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This this kind of manifesto that was created from the people who were part of this this gathering.

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And and and again it. It just speaks to the listening that the facilitators that our ogs here had to listen to space and allow that that to manifest, because it was it was bubbling up, and and it it was what people wanted to work on even though we couldn't couldn't

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Oh, wow!

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Come to what our name would be cause, we actually left the first event as the international blank summit that first, that that first

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Well, I I I think the the point I want to underline here.

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Glenn. Is that all this work from this point on was participant driven it?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Wasn't. It wasn't as the leaders leading these groups.

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Right.

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This, this bubbled up out of the community of people who were there, and it was the Louvre day, and the others that decided they were going to hone this stuff overnight and come back with something, and we didn't know what it was going to be and but they were gonna come back.

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Right.

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With something, and they worked on it overnight. And this is what they presented

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Okay, so this is what they presented. The declaration of the International Black Summit.

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Glen. Can you generate it for us

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We declare ourselves our community, and all communities, whole and complete.

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There is nothing to do except B. We assert that we are responsible for generating community as possibility and distinction.

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We listen for and grant being to the possibility and creation of unpredictable results, our conversation of about and for those of African descent is one of power, self generation, abundance, responsibility, unity, and integrity, with the possibility of being we stand for the expression of our spirituality ending the murders

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Of our men, women, and children, building economies responsible for funding our community maintenance, wellness of being in our bodies, providing human services, establishing nurturing relationships.

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Altering the conversation of who we are in the media, empowering our youth, we declare that our community manifest itself in the world as a contribution in the transformation of the universe.

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Atlanta, Georgia, October seventh, 1991.

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So that's what got created Saturday night was presented to the folks.

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That's right.

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Sunday, and and we had a chance to. I think we did just a a few words smithing on Sunday, but very little.

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Most of it had gotten done that Saturday night

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Yeah.

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Thank you. Oh, so interesting! How organic that that original annual summit event was!

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So here we are. My understanding is that all of the participants were black, identified as people of black African descent, and that all of the participants also were graduates of the landmark forum, so that they had all also participated in that work, that accurate or that's training which one's a precursor

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Okay.

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Or as training, or as training, which was the predecessor to the form.

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For those of you who aren't familiar with landmark.

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So those were 2 different offerings. One was the the first offering, and then the second one became the the, the form

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Yes.

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Right. So that was it evolved into, I guess that's the form, I guess, is one way you could say it.

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So so. Then, looking at the creation of the Declaration, and and I'm kind of curious myself around how we got to the point of creating facilitator training and a facilitator body, because my introduction to the original 5 was when I decided to be to join the facilitator

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Body, and the original 5. The Ogs, the 3 of you, plus.

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Jk, and

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Anthony

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Hey? Anthony? Yeah.

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Anthony and Anthony. You guys were the lead.

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You were the senior facilitators you were leading the facilitator trainings at the time when I joined, and be here 2,000.

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So, so I'm kind of curious. We have now the first event.

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Pocom it's an organic process that you guys facilitate.

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Declaration is created, and somehow between that at some point there is a creation of a facilitator training body.

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Does that happen at that first event? Does it happen a couple of years later?

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What's the what's the progress there? What's the the evolution

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It actually happened, not at the first event, not at the second event, but at the third event in Oakland, California.

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I'm not sure how it happened. So maybe you 2 remember.

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But there was a request that we form a body where people could be trained to be facilitators, and I remember we were at the Oakland Civic Center or something, and there were a group of people that we met with kind of in the cloak room or something there was a little room after the main

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Session, and a number of people said, Yeah, they wanted to be.

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They wanted to do what we did. And so at that point we put together the training

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So I I don't. I don't want to step.

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There's a step that's missing in here, Jackie, and the you call this a declaration.

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But essentially it was a we. We generated a context, we generated a contacts that we were operating at.

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A new contact. This context had never existed before, and it was the context that is expressed in this declaration that gave the space for whatever got generated going forward.

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So the deck declared something to be. But what allows it to persist is the context that it represents.

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And so it, if we look at this as a contact, then there are certain things that fall out of it that need to to come into existence in order to sustain the the possibility over time, and and so part of what came out of it.

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What were the structures that we had, but that that got generated in the event?

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In the context. It wasn't us sitting in meeting rooms designing something and bringing it back 2, you know, to the summit, or anybody to be ratified.

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It was being generated real time, and we would capture the real time generation, and then we would proceed to operate out of that

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No.

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I love it. David says. I remember someone asking, how could I get?

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How could I get to be up there in Oakland?

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He remembers that

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Yeah, yeah, and and and so the the whole idea of a facilitator body.

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You know, wasn't our idea, you know. That was that was being demanded

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You know. John asked me, What am I? What am I

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And you know I can't help but be move by the experience of it.

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No.

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So, so so let me let let me ask this question, cause you're you're at the first event you you got this great declaration.

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You've got these people fired up, you know you're gonna have another event.

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What was your mindset? What, what, what were you thinking? What were you allowing to get generated in that moment going forward to to Highland Park, which was the next?

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The next event

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You know. I I I think for myself.

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But this is gonna be on Youtube. So I gotta watch my language right

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No, no, you don't

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Yeah. Oh, yeah, for me. What I was present to.

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That something had been generated here

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Way beyond anything I had anticipated when I was anticipating, was Miniscule bullshit compared to what was created

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You know. So I I think, going forward, we recognize that we were in the midst of something that we couldn't really define and say what we're in the missed out.

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But there was an energy and a moving at a movement that undergirded it.

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And and you know again for me. I I was present to that.

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I was gonna have to really work hard to be in the present moment.

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With this thing, you know. If if I if I relied on my own schedule and designing, it, was going to be totally insufficient, so I couldn't be who I have known myself to be, and all of the strategies and tactics that I would use to navigate situations.

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I I couldn't depend on any of that. I had to be in the present moment with these now 5 people, trusting them

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And trusting each other

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You know so

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I think the next the next year was us.

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Really getting deeper, more deeply engaged, and the relationship of the 5 of us

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And it got to the point where you couldn't hide anything, even if you wanted to hide it.

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You couldn't hide it.

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You know. So Jk, Anthony Robin Kat?

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They knew everything there was to know about me.

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And I knew everything there was to know about them.

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And it was on that foundation of like complete, open, honest communication that probably

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Those 4 people.

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Were my first model of what a clean, open relationship looks like up until that point I was scheming and maneuvering and relationships, you know, trying trying to get over, trying to get get what I needed.

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But there was no space for that, you know, with the 4 of them

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I think that's a good point period, cause I I was, I was wondering, given Glenn's question, what did we do that second year?

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What were we working on? And I? And it really was working with our relationship as a group of 5 because at that point Jk.

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Had joined us, and we actually did. That may have been we may have gotten together physically at least twice.

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I know we did at least once, but maybe twice that year, and cat is jk, we're coming from the east coast, and but we talked every single week.

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We had a facilitator call every single week, and what Perry was talking about is we developed a relationship.

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The thing that I have always loved about the summit and facilitating in the summit was that we did it as a group.

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We were never by ourselves. It was never about any one of us.

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It was about the body of us, and so we did spend a whole lot of time generating our body we didn't.

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We weren't senior facilitators. Then we were just facilitators, and what it took to generate that was clearing, which is one of the distinctions of the summit.

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But we cleared and we clicked and we cleared, because that was our commitment to being able to listen.

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The conversation of the summit, and I think another thing that happened for me at that first summit.

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The was my first experience, because again we weren't doing landmarks work.

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We didn't have a manual in front of us, so we had to listen.

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To space, and what we began to learn to do was listen, the space so that we could hear what spirit was telling us.

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What life was telling us, what the room was telling us, but the room.

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But but spirit or life speaks to us through what people are in the room were saying, and so that next year was really about

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Howing that that ability. And yeah, and what came out of it.

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I think Cat talked about it, too. What came out of it was a very profound trust, so that we could get up.

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We? Yeah, we always had some questions. I always as Kat said, I always insisted that there be an outline knowing good and well that nothing on that outline would materialize.

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But that was my, that was my need. You know. I'm the 80.

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One, and but but there was such trust that we could get up in front of a group of people, someone on the chat asked how many people were at the first one.

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I believe there were around a 100. Does anybody know

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120, I want to say a 120

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Okay? 100 and 2,000 28. Ha, ha!

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Her 132 somewhere somewhere in there. Yeah.

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Not like that. It was 120 something. Yeah.

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Okay, okay? And then I don't remember how many were in Highland Park, but that was a really really impactful summit.

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Cool.

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But, as I was saying to Perry and Kat, what this week we were talking before today, that it was that trust that we had between the and I don't mean it was always, you know, Hunky Dory, like we would get on each other's nerves, you know, cuss each

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other out there, you know. But the trust was there, because I remember.

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You know, we got in front of 500 people in New York, and that could only happen.

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There's no way Robin is. Gonna get up in front of 500 people maybe the rest of them would have, but I wasn't. But it wasn't me.

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It was that body, and by that time we actually had a facilitator.

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Body to to back us up, as well

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Yeah.

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So I'm just looking to

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Go ahead!

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So I'm just looking to track. So the first summit event is Atlanta, 1990.

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Yes.

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One, then in 1,992. It's Highland parks. So 1,991, it's the 4 of you, 1992 in Highlands, Mark Park.

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Right.

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It's now the 5 of you with Jk. That year you guys are working together as a team of 5.

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Yeah. Oakland.

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Hello, Oakland!

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And then the following year was the following year, New York, or or what was Oakland?

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Good.

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Okay, okay, so now we're at, we're at in 1993 we're in Oakland, California.

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It's the third annual event, and that is the event.

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When somebody requests the creation of facilitator training

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Oh, okay. And until in that 2 year period, if participants came, were there?

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Was, were there any other opportunities for them between annual events?

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Or was it just the endual event for them

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It was just the annual event

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Oh, there was the planning committee

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Right.

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Well, well, no, not not not necessarily, because, remember, after the first one, we actually had teams.

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So those those smaller teams had. So we had like a business 4 or 5 of us that were doing business.

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There was another group that was doing relationships. So we created groups going into into the second annual summit event.

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Again, we we! We created these little networking niches for for the different areas.

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And so those groups continue to be in conversation from the first to the second, and and, in fact from the second to the third.

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It that got the design kind of changed a little bit, and it was now groups of 5, and so out of that we started having training the facilitators and groups of 5, but also having the participants seated in groups of 5.

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Right.

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So that they would begin to network with each other and begin to build relationship.

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So one of the things for me as a participant in those first couple of years was about trust trusting myself, and especially at the second one.

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I I I now understand why the second one was so emotional filled for me.

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Because you guys had done so much clearing that the space had nothing but clear, and people were sharing all of their.

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The the nasty, the the good, the bad, and the ugliness of their lives, and how you know what they did, and and and having each other forgiveness, give ourselves.

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So there was the the the Highland Park summit for me was just a a way of freeing up all of these conversations that I had about myself that were negative, that were, and we did it as a body.

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It all. Everybody was just kind of phone that had in and phone.

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They're emotionals and and their context is that they wanted to kind of clear themselves with.

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And that was the space that was available from the Highland Park.

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And then when we got to Oakland, then we were looking at more of a a, a community space, you know, design and community for me.

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Got the Highland Park summit for me. Well, it's just off the charts, and and I have the questions up for the I guess.

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First, 14 yeah, for first, 14 years, or maybe yeah. But the it kinda gives you a idea of what we were dealing with.

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So the Highland Park, Michigan Summit. The question we came out of there with was, What must I transform within myself in order to transfer the work

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So the completion that that Glenn is pointing to.

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I remember being up on the stage with Robyn. All of us were up there, but there was a particular passage, a particular point, and it might have been but some ladies face on.

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Yeah.

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Well, that

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Yeah. Call. It phase on. And some other people were sharing about where they were.

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Kimani

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And there was a brother from from Africa, that kind of introduced this with the whole notion that there was a the traditional song that they saying, Come me, Kamani, welcoming andcestors back to the African shores, from journeys overseas and so he started singing

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That song.

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And it seemed to me that the whole room kind of fell apart, or fell into some kind of an experience, and my experience at that moment was the kind of seeing the completion or being present to the the the Atlantic. Transform.

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So I had all these big visions of big sailboats moving across the room.

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I can actually visually see them. And and you know, and black people on the boat, and and just, you know, ship after ship passing and front of my vision as the sharing was happening, and I was in tears.

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I could not contain myself, and that space, and and the whole room was like that.

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Yes.

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Now I don't. Everybody was in the Atlantic trend, you know.

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Transition, but they were wherever they were. But we were all having a similar kind of experience in impact

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You know, so so Highland Park was Seminole, and this question kind of captures, where we were.

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So we were now present to the fact that possibility we could transform something.

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So what what get? What? Unless I transform within myself, started with myself in order to transform the world?

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So that was the question. We left 92 in moving into Oakland and 93

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And and that.

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Oh, it didn't happen that it didn't happen that orderly.

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But I mean I can kind of sense a movement occurring out of each summit that gave us a whole new inquiry, and something to look at in our own development.

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As a as a community, if you will, but as a as individuals first, and then as a community, 2 engage it

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I just want to acknowledge so

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Oh! So that

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God, cat.

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I just want to acknowledge something in the chat that I said.

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Yeah.

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Please, and and

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If you all remember, that was the summit where the conversation for black women being queens, and and the relationship between black men and black women, the the the apartment of that relationship really came forward in that summit, and then the other thing I want to acknowledge is Chicago's

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Yeah.

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Comment, that what we offer for people out of those people who are requested to be facilitators, that they could come to the planning by the meeting in October and and make a request to be in the body, and she said well, she just wanted to be like them 5 people.

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Right. And I think this what what's really right about that is the context of periodicity.

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Because I think that context parade creates that possibility.

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You know the possibility of who we are as facilitators.

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The possibility, stability of people being able to stand and offer a space like that for their communities.

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People saw that for themselves, that they could do that too, and they want it to be true.

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You know we trained ourselves, and I'm clear.

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We trained ourselves. We all came from our own different backgrounds, and whatever we trained ourselves, and they saw that they could be trying to.

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And so I just want to acknowledge that that it was in that context, Grace, that people saw that possibility that they could do it too.

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And and the way we got to the 5 groups yeah, it's the groups of 5.

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Hmm.

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Was that a just as catch a center? There were 5 of us, and and you know we had worked through now 3 summits, and the that began to be kind of the structure.

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We looked at it through so, and trying to talk about development of facilitators.

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You know we we knew that there had to be a sufficient commitment to train oneself to be a facilitator.

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It wasn't that we were training anybody you know. What we provided was a space.

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That people could train oneself, and the structure we put had that we discovered was the 5 of us, and being brutally open and honest within that group of 5 was part of creating the clearing for the possibility of view of the facilitator so that's the way that structure got put in place

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You know it's interesting for me, 'cause I do recall when I first joined the facilitator body in the year 2,000.

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At that point there what? That was part of the structure, I mean.

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It had already been in place for years. By that point and I was placed into a group of 5 right and that group of 5 essentially modeled.

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What you've guys had to develop in those early years, in 1,991 and 1992 where we were required or or strongly suggested that we have a weekly call as facilitators training ourselves engaging in the distinctions of the international black summit engaging in

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The question for the year for those people who might be listening who aren't familiar with the summit out of each annual event.

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There's a question for the year or an inquiry for the year, and Perry referred to the inquiry for the year that came out of 1990.

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2, which was, what do I need to transform within myself in order to transform the world?

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And each year we have a an inquiry like that that comes out of that annual event.

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And so as a facilitator, trainee, when I first joined in in the group of 5 engaging in the distinctions, engaging in the question for the year, I see how that was an organic development out of what you the original you was the original facilitator team had created for

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Yourselves getting up there. The creation of the summit

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Yeah, you know.

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Good Perry.

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Yeah, so I, I,

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You know, I I think, looking back over the years I've come to the recognition.

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Good transmission doesn't have happen at the level of group.

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It doesn't happen at the level of community transformation happens at the level of individuals.

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So the the transformation occurs in the individual, and then the possibility of alignment with other transformed individuals makes possible a community.

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A transform community, but

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You know, you gotta bring something to the table in the in that group of 5

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That is representative, your own recognition of who you are in the matter.

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Of what's occurring in front of you, that you actually a life generator

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And

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That's a you know. That's a

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Go ahead, Jackie!

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Okay. I was just I was just noticed noting where I went in my own thoughts around a transformed community and transformed individuals making up a transfer community which makes a lot of sense.

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And I also noticed that for me I don't know that everyone in in a community needs to transform for the for the community transform to transform.

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That's right.

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Like, if you have any. If you have that critical mass right? If you have, whatever that tipping point is, in terms of I don't know what that percentage is.

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1520% that transforms. And then they. And then that percentage, then, is a catalyst for the transformation

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Yeah.

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Yeah. But operating on, we. We are on the downside of the tipping point

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Yeah.

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You know. So we're we're in the process still of creating the critical mass and we're on the downside of it.

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And each and every individual has to generate for themselves the experience of being transformed in this works

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Yeah.

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You can't just hang out, and you can't just hang out in the space or rub up against somebody.

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I think that you're going to. He's gonna be transformed

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Yeah.

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Hey! Stop! There!

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You sure? I'm I'm sure, for socializes to to try to. You know.

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Text, the touch, the sleeve of one of the original 5

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Yeah, just don't. Don't make me a fucking. I

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So. So let me let me ask this question.

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We started out with this declaration back in 90, 1991.

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And and today the the question that we're engaging is I, as I become present to?

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I am. What is it to rest in the I am this so?

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What, what would you say?

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Has the declaration given given you personally, and and what has it given to the International Black Summit?

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So I'd like to hear from each of you in terms of you. Know.

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What do you see that it it has created that maybe wouldn't have gotten created without the declaration that the Declaration has you be present to personally, and and as the impact to the to the International Black Summit as well is that clear

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I don't know if it's answer

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Okay.

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You know, I just say that. Yeah line where we say we talk about who we are in the media.

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All during the conversation of who we are in the media.

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And so we left that that summit. Oh, that's how it was in October. That's right.

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So the next thing that happened were those hearings with Anita Hill and Clarence.

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Thomas, and I completely saw that through the land of altering the conversation of who we are in the media, I just thought that was amazing.

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You know. I I mean it. It was it was a bizarre occurrence, but I knew that it was consistent with that line in the Declaration.

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And then the other thing for me, though I've this the line that's always moved me is the one about transforming the universe.

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I just that our community, who we are as black people, manifest itself in the world as a contribution to the transmission of the universe.

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I've always just absolutely loved that line it just for some reason.

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It's just always spoke to me, and I'm just gonna say that October seventh, 1,990.

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One was my fortieth birthday, so I have a very special relationship to the declaration.

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Yeah, anyway, that's what I have to say.

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Okay. Great.

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Anything for your cat around the the Declaration, and what you what is, provided you personally

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I I'm I'm listening to see what. Let's being given to me to say about that.

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What was right. There is. That is the first line of the declaration is where I stand.

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We declare ourselves our community and all communities whole, incomplete.

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There's nothing to do except B. And

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Inside of that. I've always so that if I could get to what that just be means that the rest of the Declaration would be taken care of, and I am so grateful for the conversation that we have this year, as I become present to I am what is it to rest in the I amness and for

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me that I am. This is being. Is. This is the essence of being, and as I, as I look back over the years, I can see that every summit has brought us here, and I thought, look back, I can see that what brought us.

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Here was being this. What made the difference what were the distinctions?

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Noticing, clearing, getting ourselves to that space of being so we could hear like, so we could here how to transform our relationships.

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And you know I I I look for the involvement of the declaration in my everyday life that's where I look for I that's where I look for my accomplishments.

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I look forward to my family. I look, I look forward in, and wh.

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Where my family have asked me to come and facilitate conversations with their families, with their intimate families.

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But their son and I look at it when when the people in my community come to my house, they want to have conversations for clearing.

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I look at it in my profession as a speech mythologist, when I work with my children, I have a 2 year old kid who's been in pre-k and in pre school, early early learning center since she was a child of the he was like 6 months and 2 years not saying any words and you

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Know I he gets referred to me, and I'm like, what am I gonna do?

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And the only thing I knew was to be with this time.

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I stay. I visited that child in his classroom for several weeks, just to be with him by the time he got to me he was degree for me.

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Hmm.

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Do you know what I mean? And at the one that the staff came in, said, Is he talking?

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And one thinks that that's me that you know I'm you know.

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I mean, I think I'm a great speech behindologist.

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But look, what what made the difference? I'm clear, is being present to him.

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Presents allow for communication.

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I see that with my kid, who's a starter?

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Who came, I'm I'm trying to figure out what the problem he's not stuttering.

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I can't see any visible sign

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And I think he's showing like he's a smart kid, and I'm like, what is it?

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And it was I. I said to myself, Katherine, be with him, get present to him, and and it was a instant when I saw his nose flare, I said, Oh!

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As the breath. The breath is being cut off. Next thing I do.

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We had an instant of just being pressed, and he started talking and stuttering all over the place, and you know what that's what I wanted him to do.

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I wanted him to have the opportunity to be who he is, and to stutter, because now I can shape fluency.

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Before then I wasn't able to, and I'm clear I'm clear it's because of this current conversation that I that I'm in right now that allow me to be present to who these 2 women are.

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So you know, it's it's been a a real thing for me to like like, how are we tracking the summit?

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How are we tracking our successes? And as the source said, Let me start tracking my day to day.

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How is it affected? My life, and it affects it on a day to day, moment by moment, way.

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And the last thing I want to say the other thing that the way I track the success is through facilitation.

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It's when I see people come to the summit share their hearts out.

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Hey? And get to a place of freedom that they had been before, that I'm clear that this conversation works, and that's that's enough for me to to continue in this conversation.

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I see it a lot. I don't know if I answered your question or not, but that's what was hard to say.

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Absolutely.

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You answer questions? I didn't know I had

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Cool, but

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Oh, it's doing, too.

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Yeah.

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I I you know I just I'm checking the time, Glenn sent me a little time check in them direct message, and and it it is, and I'm and we haven't even gotten through half of our questions.

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So we're not going to get through all of them.

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But but I did want to talk a little bit about distinctions before we complete.

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And and the creation of this distinction, both the creature of the distinctions given that the the landmark distinctions were off limits.

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They they said that they couldn't be used, and so I was a little bit curious about how the summit distinction created. I'm assuming again it.

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It came out of the conversation. But the creation of summit distinctions, how that showed up, and then the use of some distinction. That's how you know, cat, you've already talked a little bit about how you use them in your life. But that's that's

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They occur in the conversation they're given to us in the conversation

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And and you know it's it's like they keep coming in.

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The conversation the same one, like what does that trigger?

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Oh, my God! What was that? Kenya

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Yeah.

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Daniel. Yes, yeah. The poster we had the coasters.

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They were.

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You know, you know. Yeah, we're stuck people will get up.

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And you know how people there, and and and of course you know, people get up and show and then people have their judgments.

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Oh, no, that's not right, that's not right.

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- you know. So someone said Trigger.

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I don't know who said it, but after a while we had these nice little coasters in the room.

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It was very nice hotel, and so every time somebody got to the mic and said something that people didn't like, but didn't agree with.

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They started checking those those. So it got so that it, you know.

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It became funny and fun, and it became a a land through which we could see ourselves.

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Our judgments. And so we worked with that. You know, we did work with it.

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Yeah.

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We we really worked on distinguishing what is this trigger really signing to us?

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We looked at it like it. It was saying something to us, so we started to peer into that, and we distinguished it as some new people

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What is trigger

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Triggers gives us access

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Unrolling, unable to be with them. Yeah.

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You're gives us unwilling to be with within ourselves.

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Standing there. What access does our trigger provide for the fulfillment? The purpose of the international Black Summit

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And and so the idea of distinctions is that they they all, they often reveal mechanistic way of being or responding.

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So if you could use that as the point of inquiry to look beneath that, to see, see the condition or the mechan mechanistic response.

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And is that really accessing who you are, or who you intend to be.

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Oh, that's great!

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You know one of the distinctions that is always really present for me is no out there, and I don't like it.

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But it. You know I it it it never fails, it never fails.

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If I'm willing to look at, it's not out there.

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It's not happening over there. It's happening over here and again, as as it has been said, it comes out of the conversation, out of whatever conversation is going on in the room.

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And what's really interesting is I I've done a lot of other kinds of things, and I'm starting to notice that some of our distinctions are present in other places.

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It's they. They get generated in the summit, but many of them are universal, and but they come to us out of the interactions that we've had and no out there is actually one of them.

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You don't find it a lot of places, but there are places where it's fair well known that nothing's happening out there.

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It's all happening inside

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Yeah.

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Do you guys each have? Do you have a favorite distinction, you know, like Robin, you just referred to that one being present for you. But do you have a favorite distinction, any of you

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Yeah.

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I love clearing. I love it. I just think that it's like the for me it was the foundation of how we became the body that a 5 that we were clearing the verb is, you know, like just whatever it takes to get the stuff out of the way so that we could hear what life was giving

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Us what life was telling us

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Thank you, Gary. I'm noticing you're checking your time.

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Do you need to Iran

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Well, yeah, I had a book to 6. I got something coming up or mine.

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Your time, east coast.

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Is there anything you'd like to say before you complete with us?

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Or I can ask you one of the one of the last questions we had here, which was what has been the biggest personal lesson or personal benefit.

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So you have received because of your participation in the international blacks on it.

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Biggest personal lesson or personal benefit from participating

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Well, the personal benefit, I think, is my life. I wouldn't have the life that I have. You know, without the people that I participated with in the International Black Summit.

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My life got so grounded, and I got so clear about I can't say I got clear about it, but it feels like looking back at it.

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I got clear about who I was, and the possibility that I am, and it, and and so one of the things that I develop was kind of my own purpose and live.

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And my own purpose in life essentially comes down to I see possibility and every person and in every situation, so that the world works for everyone with no one and nothing left out. So that that's who I say I am and where I show up. That's where I'm operating from

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And that comes out of the honing, and they polishing that the process of the International Black Summit

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Dave, we are took me through

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So I'm I'm clear that that my life wouldn't be what it is today without the old

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So I can't. I can't ask for any more than that, and you know quite frankly, at 78.

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Now, you know, I'm thinking, okay, 78, maybe 1012, 13 more years.

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And I'm going to trans transition to being an elder.

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No, I am

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No, you were right the first time.

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Yeah, yeah. Elder ancestors, you know. So so I'm I'm I'm in the process. I'm in an inquiry about that, you know, because I can see the you know, in the scope of time.

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If we look at the 400 years of African American participation in this country, there have been a lot of great, insightful people that don't.

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A lot of great insightful work, and the conditions still for sits, you know. So am I.

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Gonna see it in my lifetime. I don't know, but I don't have to see it in my lifetime.

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I'm committed. So the transformation of the black community in the world and I'm setting up to hand the baton to the next generation.

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Yeah.

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That's going to carry this work forward, you know. So and then I can like watch on high, as you guys have miraculous lives. So that's my intention.

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Yeah.

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That's very is that there

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Thank you. Thank you. Well, I I do want to give that opportunity to Kat and Robin as well.

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What's the question? Again

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To answer that question. The biggest personal, the biggest personal lesson for the biggest.

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What has been the biggest personal lesson or personal benefit that you have received because of your participation in the International Black Senate.

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Well.

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While you're thinking. Oh, go ahead.

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Go ahead! Robin!

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Yeah, I was just gonna say for me, it's clearly

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I, I don't know how I just love being a facilitator, and the gift I got from being a facilitator was, I've said it several times.

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Today is being able to hear what spirit and what life is giving is saying, that is priceless for me.

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Hi! I love this and you know that, and that directly came out of the phone of the form that directly came out of the summit.

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It didn't come out of. I mean, I got some nice things out of landmark, but that's not something I got out of landmark.

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What I got out of the summit was

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And an appreciation for spirituality. The summit is

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That's where I first got my direct connection to spirituality.

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I mean, I'm not a religious person. I never was in a in A, and I'm definitely not now.

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But my appreciation for spirit and for spirituality came from the summit, and that is just a gift that that is the biggest gift that I got was to know that I could access that for myself, that I could hear life I could hear spirit

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Thank you.

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Catherine.

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Oh!

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Good, good.

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You know.

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Yeah, what they're saying. I was trying to think of like events and things.

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But what number one is my extended family? The Ivs family, I mean.

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Yeah, I got on here, and all the ones that are not as I mean.

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You're a gift to me, as many of you know.

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Okay.

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I. 2 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. And so if you want to know one of my favorite distinction is alignment.

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Because I'm very clear that this is not. My family was an alignment for my healing.

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I'm clear I was healed through that. So when that whole expression went to the more join together.

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It's for me. It lives like that for me.

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And I've had many experiences of the fruits of alignment in this body.

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In this organization, organization, in my family, the alignment that that caused my husband and I to finally get married after 20 years of dating each other, and craziness, and really seeing that we really love one another to the alignment of my relationship with my nephew, and supporting him and getting through what he

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needed to get through to get through high school and then graduating with just honors and being able to have a conversation with my sister and her younger son, and have that that relationship work come into alignment.

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I mean

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There's so many things to just so many things, but I guess what I'm saying is is is it's really being to our oneness that that is so magnificent.

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And that is that I keep saying it. The the question for this year, you know, pretty soon.

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Right smack in the middle of that connection that we have with one another, as one being one expression so alignment is my favorite, and my relationship with all people.

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In the summit and everywhere else in my world. That's it.

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That's good.

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Thank you.

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Well, well, thank you all for such a outstanding.

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Oh, my!

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Yes, but those of you who one to find out a little bit more about the International Black Summit.

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We've got a website www. Black summit.org.

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We have an annual event every first full weekend in August.

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We are looking at doing a blended virtual and the in person for 2023.

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But certainly you can check out the website to find out any additional information.

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We talked about distinctions. Yes, their English words that we use to empower ourselves and to keep ourselves present.

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So so clearing and triple, and noticing, and no right way to be?

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Are all our toolkits that are provided inside of the space of the International Black Summit, so that you can be present to Wisconsin.

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As you've heard tonight. Being present is a powerful way of listening, and allows you a powerful speaking.

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Of what is is available. So, Jackie Grace, anything

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Me just a reminder. We usually start the these sessions, mentioning the purpose of the international black.

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Cool.

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Summit, and I was so excited about this interview that I dropped it out.

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That's the purpose. Of the International Black Summit. To provide an opportunity for participants to bring into being their vision for the black community and the world.

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And so everything that glenn just referred to in terms of the declaration of the distinctions and all of the tools.

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The annual questions and all the tools that that these original 5 and the 3 who are are here were foundational in in creating and providing all of us who have participated in the summit over the years with that opportunity to bring into being their vision, you know, our vision for the black community world and so thank you for being with

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Us tonight. Thank you for being with us tonight. Thank you, Perry, for hanging on

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Can I just say one more thing? I I just wanna take a moment to.

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Just we talked a little bit before we started the formal part of today.

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But I really want to acknowledge Anthony and Jk.

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Because we wouldn't be the Oj's without them and without the contribution that they were.

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And and you know, just just acknowledge that.

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That is why we are who we are. They're part of us

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Yeah.

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And they're here tonight with us

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I'm I'm counting on it

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Well once again. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciated love.

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The conversation. And for you out there in the world. Come, check us out.

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We're loving, caring community of people who are looking to progress.

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Our community. Thank you so much for listening. Good night, and God bless

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thank, you, Glenn and Grace. This was great.

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So.

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Alright! But

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Thank you. Thanks. Everybody who's here

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We're going to stop the reporting now. But that's what's going to solve the recording now.

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But for those who can stay the sessions, not ending