International Black Summit Interview Podcast: Peter Trevor Wilson

October 2, 2022
Black Summit Interviews
Season 1, Episode #7 - Peter Trevor Wilson

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In this podcast episode, Grace Lawrence interviews  PETER TREVOR WILSON  about how he effectively uses the Summit Tools and Distinctions in his career, in his life, and in the Summit.

Peter Trevor Wilson is the creator of Human EquityTM and founder and President of TWI Inc., a leading firm in the field of diversity, inclusion and Human Equity.

Over the past three decades, Peter Trevor and his team have helped guide some of the most progressive global employers, including Coca-Cola, EY, Shell, Home Depot, BNP Paribas and Vectren, along the firm’s industry standard measurement tool—the Equity Continuum. Part-entrepreneur, part-visionary, Peter Trevor is regularly invited to participate in think-tanks and conferences, speaking to over 10,000 people each year, and is often profiled in the media.

He is the author of two groundbreaking books. Diversity at Work: The Business Case for Equity continues to be a resource for diversity leaders 17 years since its publication. His newest work, The Human Equity Advantage, Beyond Diversity to Talent Optimization recognizes the growing sense of ‘diversity fatigue’ amongst organizations and puts forth a bold new management model, human equity, that promotes talent differentiation from a positive psychology perspective which helps to significantly improve employee engagement.

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The views and opinions expressed by the person interviewed are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the International Black Summit.

Transcript

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Welcome everybody. Welcome to the International Black Summit podcast Interview Series.

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This is a series where we interview current and past facilitators and participants of the International Black Summit, asking them about how they use the tools and distinctions of the summit in their lives, in their communities, in their careers and in the

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world. So with us this evening in this monthly, podcast we will be interviewing Peter Trevor Wilson, who is a facilitator of the International Black Summit, and who has been a participant of the international Black summit for many years

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But before we get into that, I just wanna say a little bit about the International Black Summit for those of you who are not familiar.

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As you may, as some of you are familiar, we Our purpose is to provide an opportunity for participants to bring into being their vision for the black community and the world, and and we have an annual event each year the first full

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weekend in August, somewhere in the world, as well as offering a number of different courses and events.

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And so if you'd like to find out more about the international Black Summit just go to our website black summit dot org black summit dot, org and you can find out all about us there.

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So. i'd also like us to start with the declaration of the International Black Summit.

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Something that grounds us It was created in 1,991 at the foundation of the organization, and at the foundation of our conversation.

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So let's just ground ourselves in the declaration of the international Black Summit.

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So for those of you who are watching on zoom you'll see the declaration of the international black summit come up on your screen.

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This is our declaration page from our website, the declaration of the International Black Summit.

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We declare ourselves our community and all communities. whole and complete there's nothing to do except the we assert that we are responsible for generating community as possibility and distinction.

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We listen for, and Grant being to the possibility and creation of unpredictable results.

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Our conversation of about and for those of African descent is one of power, self-generation, abundance, responsibility, unity, and integrity. With the possibility of being.

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We stand for the expression of our spirituality, ending the murders of our men, women, and children.

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Building economies, responsible for funding our community, maintaining wellness of being in our bodies, providing human services, establishing nurturing relationships, altering the conversation of who we are in the media empowering our new

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we declare that our community manifest itself in the world as a contribution in the transformation of the universe.

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Atlanta, Georgia, October seventh, 1991.

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And today, October second, 2,022.

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Wherever people of black African descent may reside around the world.

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We typically take a moment of silence here, just a presence ourselves.

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So thank you for being with us I'm grace Lawrence and usually Glenn Greenwich would be with us this evening.

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But he's not going to be able to join us this evening.

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So you'll just be with me and with Peter trevor Wilson.

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So let's move on to Peter trevor and let me say a little bit about him.

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I'm going to read just a brief this is the shortest of files.

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Peter's bio could go on for 25 pages at least.

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But we'll just give you a Flavor, a taste I hint of Peter Trevor, So Peter Trevor Wilson is the creator of human equity, and founder and President of T. W.

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I, a leading firm in the field of diversity, inclusion, and human equity.

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Over the past 3 decades. Peter Trevor and his team have helped guide some of the most progressive global employers, including Coca, Cola, E.

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Y: formally earnest. And yeah, shell home depot, Bnp: power bus and veteran along the firms industry, standard measurement, tool, the equity continuum part entrepreneur, part visionary Peter trevor

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is jent, is regularly invited to participate in think tanks and across, speaking to over 10,000 people each year, and is often profiled in the media.

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Peter Trevor is the author of 2 ground breaking books, one diversity at work.

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The business case, for equity continues to be a resource for diversity leaders.

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17 years since its publication. His newest work, The Human Equity advantage beyond diversity to talent.

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Optimization recognizes the growing sense of diversity, fatigue among organizations, and puts forth a bold new management.

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Model human equity that promotes talent, differentiation from a positive psychology perspective which helps to significantly, significantly improve employee engagement.

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As I previously mentioned, Peter, who was with us on screen.

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Peter is also a facilitator of the International Black Summit, and has been participating in the International Black Summit since the 19 ninetys is a long history in this conversation.

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And has facilitated many different capacities, including music facilitation in the International Black Summit as well as many other things. and he is based in Canada as a as Mi.

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We are part of the international aspect of it. The International Black Summit.

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I just want to welcome you, Peter. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being with us today.

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So if we could spotlight Peter and myself, so that we're both on screen together.

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Thank you so much. Join, welcome, welcome, feeder thank you for being here.

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Okay, I'm going to ask you to unmute

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Thank you very much for being here. Yes, Well, my pleasure in the cold great white North.

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It's not cold yet we're getting there give it time.

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So so wanted to ask you What I mean let's start Peter, with your absolute first introduction to the International summit, like, How did you hear about it?

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Where did you hear about it? What was your Thursday event?

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All of that good stuff. So it was somebody who had attended the 92.

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The summit, I think, in Highland Park, and and literally he came back just raving about this thing.

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The way he described it is This is the most powerful work on the planet for black people about black people delivered by black people.

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You got to come, you got to come. You got to come.

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And literally the guy spoke for 250 days about it every single day.

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And finally I was like, if you shut up i'll go but you guys shut up by me.

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You drive me crazy? And we did, and we drove down to New Orleans 1994, and it was by the Saturday of the summit.

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I realized he was right, and and I registered and pretty well been to almost every summit since then.

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Join the facilitator body probably about 20 years ago, and then work to bring the trump the summit to Toronto.

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And Jackie Grace that's probably where the team Toronto started to come together.

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And yeah been there since. Did a lot of the summit.

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With Alex my son which was great I mean it became our tradition, and we followed around the world to Brazil, and to parts of Africa and Jamaica, and it's just it's been it's becomes

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my spiritual New Year, that first weekend in August.

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I use it, I take on a spiritual principal.

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I work on the principal all year, and that principal changes at the summit, so it's it's become part of my life.

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For sure. Do you recall in that very first? So that was the 1994 international Black summit in New Orleans? New Orleans?

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With your first event, after having heard about it multiple times from this particular friend, you recall what it was?

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Was it a particular experience, a particular distinction that had you you something This is many, many things.

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It was interesting because both my friend and I were between marriages.

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And we were having a cop. We were dating, and we are having this conversation on the drive down.

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What is it about the women we're going out with that would not have us get into a committed relationship?

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And we and we get down to the summit and we're in group of 5, and we saw it. We actually saw it, and we both drove back and then said, Okay, Now we know what is, and we we made a pack to end, these

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casual relationships a real relationship could show up. So that was one thing.

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The other thing. I think Grace was Probably by that Saturday I felt I did.

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You could feel love like you feel like in the room. It was it was tangible. and

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I never, really I mean you can't you can't hold the summit, as you know, as a conference.

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It was just so much more. But there was there was, there was love, there was, there was laughter, there was happiness.

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There is, you know, all these things that you know you definitely don't expect from a black event Are you sure and I had done landmark.

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I had done the first i've done the communications course Tmlp. all of that stuff.

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So I knew what that was about, and I kind of went in there.

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You know how it is. If you've done landmark you kind of go and think.

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Oh, this block people try and do landmark, and then you realize Oh, no, this is so much more.

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I I remember when I was still in that stage when you're kind of assessing everything and and people are dancing, and they're playing music, and you're like looking at your watch. and it's like what what's going

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on, and it was I looked up the big 5 we're we're still there, and they they said we're we're gonna huddle. we're gonna huddle and so talk about let me just give a little context.

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For any listening, and who who might not be familiar with some of it.

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The landmark is an organization called Landmark. They used to be called landmark education.

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They offer a course called the Landmark Forum, as well as many other courses.

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And so the the International Black Summit was initially created by 5 African American people who were training leaders, some seminar leaders in the landmark organization at that time, and and so a number of people who were participating initially

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in the international Black Summit had experienced some of the landmark horses, and when you say the the original 5, you're referring to those 5 original facilitators of the annual summit event and we're

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going to be hopefully interviewing 3 of them together to thank you and and it's interesting.

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When I saw cat facilitate the room I was like.

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If I could be one tenth of this person, I could die a happy man I mean she was.

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She was amazing. now. the 5 of them together, as you know, really operate it as a unit.

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You know, Perry kind of like this gentle giant.

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And then you had Anthony, who was kind of street, and Kenny who was, and for me humor and and and also street.

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And then I Robin, who was I guess i'd call Robin Velvet steel fist velvet glove, I mean but the the all of them together are just amazing.

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But I remember cat, I just wow cat! was. that was amazing.

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So you know I'm, i'm a speaker and I it's like, Okay, if I what can I learn and cat cat coach me for years.

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Mostly in listening and communications anyways yeah so there's so many things.

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I think grace but pretty well a combination of being able to be with Alex for that weekend.

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Alex's mom, and I broke up when he was 3 so you know he would have been 7, 8, and it was something that we shared as a tradition for many years.

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So let me ask you. You said that you and your friend were were in between relationships going through divorces that you had discovered that thing that was holding you back. and then you came back and you both stopped the casual

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relationships. Was that the thing, the casual relationships, or was it something else?

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No, no, it was the casual relationships at all.

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It was something else. you know, just off the record I Guess between you and I She showed us what it's very strange, and I wanna go into a huge die tribe. about it.

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That I think, for both of us not speaking on behalf of all my.

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We want it to be cut. We were old school like i'm 65 years old, depending on who you ask but you know, under under the the whole can ray key halftime thing account chicken chicken chase is on

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the call. I remember it the Jacquesia and the summit.

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When she stood up, and she goes like people think i'm 55.

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But i'm i'm only 5 years old i've got 50 years of great experience. She was the one that had me take a look at recounting, so I started recounting at 60 so i'm 5 years old with

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60 years of experience, according to Ken Ray, Kate the Japanese tradition.

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And yeah, the way I I count now. but She showed she showed me that what I wanted.

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I, You know I was brought up to treat a woman a certain way.

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I guess they would call it old school and while she was an independent woman didn't need me to pull out the chair.

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She allowed me to pull out the chair didn't mean to pay the bill.

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I paid the bill. didn't it not didn't need nothing from me, and allowed me to be an old school man, and that's kind of it.

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I mean you know there's there's a lot of confusion out there about who we should be as men.

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You know you can go back as far as the sixtys and what not in the change.

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And and I often say you know by and large women don't really need men anymore.

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They can have them. They can like them. But the everything a man used to do a woman doesn't necessarily need them for so so you know, it becomes it becomes interesting like what's my role, you know, is my as my role companionship

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is my role. Sexual is my role. What is my role. and we don't really have a defined role.

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Anyway, this is just my opinion. And so this idea of being a woman allow you to be a man.

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An old school man, if you will you know I was taught to be a provider and and and go out there and kill stuff and bring it home.

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And that that's What I was taught to do so it's different when you have. I think the world has changed.

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The world has changed quite drastically, and and for the better, you know I have.

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Brianna is my 24 year old daughter I have a a line, I say, you know, when I grow up I want to be Brandon Wilson, Brian Brandon doesn't need a man.

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She doesn't like she may want to manage she may have a man, but she doesn't need a man everything her great grandmother couldn't do which was you know, open a bank account by herself.

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Have a business by herself. All of the things that she need a man for Brandon doesn't need a man for and so I stand behind the transition.

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It's just kind of creates some confusion for us guys sometimes.

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That's my opinion not not the truth no that's really interesting.

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So there was something inside of that conversation in New Orleans at that annual summit event where you said you were in this space where you were experiencing this sense of love.

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The energy sense of community

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Perhaps a sense of freedom or expression. You know those kinds of things.

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And so there was something that you saw for yourself in terms of how you wanted to show up in the world.

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It has a man in your relationships with women that's what I'm here.

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Yeah, Yeah, it created clearing. I mean, one of our distinctions is clearing it.

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Create a huge clearing for me, and I knew that I was.

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You know I was dating about 5 different women at the time, and and you know, probably a better language than this.

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I remember having these 5 conversations saying, you know we went down with the inquiry, What is it that's missing?

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We saw it, and we're coming back and you don't have it.

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Now is a little bit fancier than that. but you know that that was the message, and also 4 of them.

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Because we had agreed that we were dating in those days, I would say to people, I've got 2 commitments in my life, my son, and my business, and we could We can go out. you know we can we can.

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Date, if you want, and so some women say, go to hell, and some say sure, and it was the sure that I went back.

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Then only one woman said to me, she goes okay, great thanks for checking me.

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I don't have it, but how do you know i'm not gonna get it.

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I thought that's a great question I said you don't have it now.

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I need it now, and and it was the first time in my life, Grace, I did not have a companion in my life, you know.

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I've always had a woman in my license I was 14 years old, just even just for let's go see a movie.

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And and it was interesting, because for the first time my life I went to

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I went through solitude. I love solitude, but then, with your loneliness, and that was a new distinction.

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And and the you know the summit has been my family through the ups and down through.

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Amazing things awful things and it's been there the other thing, but I wanna put in during those days the summit had a strong female energy.

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It was run by women predominantly. the numbers at that time I would suggest we're almost seventy-thirty, 70%, 30% female. It was.

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It was, and that was something. I was brought up with a very strong.

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My mother is very, very strong. august person i've ever met, and

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So I was used to female energy and and female leadership there's that old line that says you know my dad was the head in the house, but my mom's the neck.

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That my my mom was thinking my moment, and I was the favorite.

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So I went. I wasn't the favorite. kid. my my my sister was the favorite girl to my dad, and I was the favorite boy to my mom, and I liked it favorites.

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Let me ask you this because you had had begun to speak a little bit about one of the distinctions of the International Black Summit.

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This distinction clearing right and And so when we talk about that distinction in a number of ways, look, we talk about it in terms of an actual physical space, of clearing, going into the forest, and coming to a place

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where there are no trees, and there's a clearing in the forest. Physically, yes, but also the process of clearing out our minds.

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The dregs, the whatever, the spinning, all of that clearing that out, so that we can listen for what life is calling for.

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So so, looking at distinctions and favorites what's your favorite distinction, do you have a favorite distinction, or I love?

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I love Trigger, you know. I I just love how Trigger can be used.

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It can be used positive and negative, and then the trigger is a gift for for you.

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I don't have the distinctions handy but you know Trigger is probably the most from a business perspective is the one that use the most.

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It's the one that I rely on from a response perspective.

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Because you you know I you come to know the things that trigger you and you can use it definitely.

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You can use for the clearing. but you can use it just to look at yourself.

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What i've what i've developed and again it's by watching the great facilitators.

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Again. I go back to Kat and Perry as well.

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That the way that the way they would pause when during the trigger.

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You know i'm what's known as a a quick start from a a business perspective, and quick starts a go ready.

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Go, set ready, go set. they just jump in, and they figure it out versus the people that work for me are ready, ready, ready, ready set, set, set!

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Go right, and I rely on them for that.

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So trigger for me. probably more when I was Trevor than Peter is like.

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I just jump in it's like I get triggered, and then I go by the emotional response.

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I used to say to people most of my kids, not all of them.

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They think before they speak on a good day I think after I speak and believe me, it's not it's it's sometimes it gets you into a lot i've lost contracts as a result of that i've

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i've been in situations where you get yourself? into trouble it's like Well, why did I say that I was triggered right?

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And so yeah, I think I think I have a love hate relationship with Trigger.

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Put it that way. but it's very valuable it's such a great distinction, and I think you know, really noting that trigger is a common word in the English language.

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And so most people have a sense of what trigger is from their perspective.

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Also clearing is a common word in the English language. But how we use those terms as distinctions in the international black summit is different.

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Absolutely, and one of the things that we say about the distinction. The summit distinction, Trigger, is that it's about something about ourselves.

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That we are unwilling or unable to be with.

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For most people. The word trigger is out There it's you know you are triggering me.

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You are the problem. that person or that circumstance or that external issue, is the thing, whereas in our use of the summit distinction, trigger it's about looking at itself.

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What is it about myself? that i'm unable to be with or unwilling to be with that is showing up inside of this trigger?

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So so so interesting that you're able to use that distinction and talk about, and you talked about using it in your business.

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So curious in general, how the summit tools and distinctions, the distinctions are just one of the tools.

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We also have the questions. we have you know other.

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But how you use the distinctions or other tools in your business.

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Well, it's kind of what you just said that for me the sum is where I go to work on myself and i'm sure you've got the purpose of the summit here somewhere, and you know I remember thinking when I went.

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In in 94 to the summit this is gonna be great, because I get to sit in the audience and just suck it all up like you know, I I don't have to stand at the front of the room most of the

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time. I'm standing at the front of the room and I did that as long as I could until we brought the summit to Toronto, and and then you know you moved into the facilitator body and and other leadership.

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Positions. Well, what i've used it for grace is development but

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And it used to be like could do one a year. I would go away, work with the distinctions and get this incredible love.

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And you know the It was just such a beautiful feeling that I would have, and then I got greedy.

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I need it more than once a year. So, joining the facilitator body where you could go to something 4 times a year.

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And the thing I love more than anything else are the retreats, the facilitator retreats, and I would leave those retreats.

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Grace, with my sides hurting. I had laughed so much over the weekend, and there was nothing like it.

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And so yeah, I mean part of it is I use it to step off the treadmill.

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Yeah, I was a workaholic that's that's the truth of that.

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I've gone through 3 marriages 2 of them ended because I was a workaholic, and the summit allowed me to step off completely and just be in a completely different space.

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And and it brought me back. I could come back, and I could jump into whatever, and I used all the distinctions at different times.

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But the last the summer brings me a lot of pleasure and a lot of laughter and a lot of joy, and it has since 1994, and if it if it hadn't I wouldn't still be here so, let

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me ask you you! You said earlier. you refer earlier to a little bit more.

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Trevor than be than Peter so talking so.

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So I know you and I know that many of us in the International Black Summit used to know you just as Trevor Wilson.

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And now we know you as Peter Trevor Wilson, or sometimes just Peter right.

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Has there been any relationship between your interaction with the international black summit?

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And what's showing up with you for you now as a change in your name, the change in who you're showing up as in the world as somebody who used to be known as Jackie Jackie grace

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or just grace, so i've gone through something some more well, yeah, I I mean

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So I, Henry, is not on here. Henry has been.

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Henrietta has been my spiritual coach Council for many, many years.

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And So in 2,018 the lady I I was married to for for 25 years came to me, and she could look.

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Don't take this personally, but I don't want to be married no more.

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I don't want to be married to you I just don't want to be married, and then it's a thing called silver divorce.

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But people have been married for 20 and 30 years, sometimes just men, but most of the time just women they say look you know i'm not sure I wouldn't still be married, and it killed me.

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I mean you could just hit me in the Gut that just absolutely killed me, and I went to Henrietta and she goes.

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It's gonna change you. this Will change you and She invited me to consider to go back to my legal name, and my legal name has always been Peter Trevor Wilson never use Peter really I mean I didn't even like

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it really? and she said to me, I said, well, why would I do that? she said.

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Well, do you know who Peter is? I think there was a Peter in the Bible.

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I think it was a disciple and she goes no he wasn't he was the first apostle.

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I didn't know the difference. grace but she gave me a bunch of homework to do, and I did do it, and I came back, and I said, i'm not sure I can do that.

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And she goes well. she gave me am John. Do you know John Meloncamp?

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Do you remember the name John Melancho Yeah. he's a singer? and he started with John Cooper.

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All of his first hits for John Cooper and They wanted to go back to his real name, John Meloncan and

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They said, Well, they're not gonna know you by that name so just do John cougar mellon camp, and he was John Cooper melancholy for years.

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And now he's John Melanchop and the so that was what Henrietta said, Try Peter Trevor, do Peter Trevor for a while to get used to the and then you can drop the Trevor and and

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i'm yeah, that's basically what's gonna happen this year.

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So the the reality is that yeah it's a big transition, Grace, I mean if you if you look into the character of Peter.

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And again It's common Peter wasn't here he was Simon and Paul was was saul, and and Jacob became Israel.

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I mean it's it's when something huge happens in your life you're invited.

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Consider changing your name, and changing your appearance. so you know I went back to wearing a beard which I haven't worn for almost 40 years, and last time I worked it was all black.

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Now you can see it's not and then looking into So what does Peter look like?

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Not to say Trevor is dead, but my future is not travel.

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My future is Peter. Now I I say, for mostly the some folks who do know me as Trevor.

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I. I have no problem dancing to Trevor at all.

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When I meet somebody who i'd met after may 2018 I said, you, you can just call me Peter, and it's not that big a deal.

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It's really a demarcation point that Okay, something happened may have 2018, and and taking on that new idea, and i'll be taking it on for a while, like you know.

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I I figure with Touchwood. Okay, So let me touch for Micah here.

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That if So my mom went to 84.

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My dad went to 80. So if I can make it to 83 which is about 18 years from now, then and it's gonna take all 18 years grace to who may make the transition to Peter in my opinion I hear

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you, you know, just want to to mention for our listeners that although there are references here to Biblical names.

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You know, in the in the international blacksmith we have people of all different religions and faiths, and no religion or faith, you know.

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So there are people who are Christians they're people who are Muslim.

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There are people who are you know. people who of a high or just i'm not even sure what you call it when you just honor the earth those kinds of things so all kinds of

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different. but atheists So So yeah. So the the summit is a very inclusive in a space where, regardless of background, we see feel very connected.

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On what I call an energetic or spiritual level so and that, and to your first question that that was that was like water for me to be able to go into a conversation spiritually with no necessary religious affiliation, because for me i'm you know

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since i've been i've been canada for a while I've got really 3 churches I started at Unity, and there's lots of folks in the summit from unity Then there's and then I went to a

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church called the meeting house and and now i'm back to to a church that's related to to you.

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I guess, would have come out the Verity Center for better living.

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And and I stay with a a church or an institution.

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As long as it gets me closer to spirit as long as it gets me closer to the power.

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If it doesn't it does not bring me closer to the power, no matter what the name on the outside of the building is, I won't stay and the summit has been a huge vehicle.

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For me. Lots of people think I'm Muslim because I fell in love with the term in Shalla, which is an Islam, a term that if you go to a Muslim country here at every 5 min every said you know i'll

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see you tomorrow in Shall I see more in shell? And I remember out a spiritual guru about it.

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And she said, well, people think it means God willing, but she goes much more powerful than that.

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She says it's if I say see it more in charlotte is, if it is consistent with God's plan or God's will, right so So if I say good racy to more and shell and golf plan

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is. See Grace more. I see you tomorrow, and if I say great.

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See you tomorrow, and shallow. but god's plan is trevor will not see Grace tomorrow.

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I don't see it more. and if I say grace never I'll never see you again in Shala, and God's plan to see Grace tomorrow.

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I see you tomorrow, and she says she goes it's always Trevor.

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It's always consistent with god's plan benji gives me the the the she goes.

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Why do you suffer you suffer because you think god's plan is wrong, and God's plan is never wrong, and I I felt in love with in Shallow that love.

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She, he, it knows exactly what is doing this. Now we go back to cat.

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I watch Cat in New York room of 500 people. She stopped the room to listen to spirit, and she oh, my God!

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I'd never seen anything like it grace never seen that to list where a spirit pulling us and you know about alignment where we know where you know spirit knows where the next summit is going to be.

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We just have to catch up with spirit. so anyways more, such a great conversation, you know.

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Me it. I think that the International Black Summit is probably the only space where where I know people would say and refer to these Biblical names. And after referring to these Biblical names, and the and the art of these

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Biblical names, and then say, Inshalla, you know what I mean, and turn to and use an Islamic reference.

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Reference or you know it's just just a space of such acceptance.

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However, you choose to show up. Yes, we are here to receive wherever you choose to be.

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I have seen people speak in tongues at the summit.

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Now that stuff used to really freak me out like if I went into a Pentecostal church, and some I would just leave.

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But i've seen it at the summit and she your point is not these people are religious necessarily.

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It's they get taken over by spirit now i've come over the years to recognize well what that is, and how it works, and all that.

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But to your point, Grace. the acceptance, the acceptance.

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And you know wars have been started by Muslims hating Christians and Christians, hating Hindus wars.

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So what a place that is that we come to to to have that acceptance!

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But it's a beautiful thing, absolutely and you talked about alignment, and the whole experience of listening for spirit, which is something that some some members of the of the body do.

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If it speaks to them, and for those for whom it doesn't speak to them, they don't do it.

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That to the point of I just look where the summons can be. i'm gonna go, anyway, so I know I have to sit through an alignment conversation on it.

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And the first summit that I intentionally miss, you will know her.

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It was a member of the Toronto team, and she had a stroke, and and we decided that we were gonna try and give her the summit.

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Now this was before Zoom. This would be, I mean, basically, all you had was a telephone, and we had one of the team Canada in the room.

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I was sitting on a basically on a parch park bench and in Toronto, when we were getting the the summit questions to the to our our colleague in the hospital.

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That was the first one that I intentionally missed.

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But it was still beautiful you know good I love it. So let me ask you a little bit more about your experience in the facilitator body, because you've already talked about joining the facilitator body being there you talked

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about your experience in terms of engaging with the facilitator.

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Bottom retreats, also engaging one-on-one, and turning to members of the body for support, talking about, turning to Henrietta as a fellow facilitator at certain points for interaction, conversation, and support.

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So what would you say? Is there anything that, that, initially, had you join the facilitator body?

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Was it that whole notion that once a year was it wasn't enough. Hi kim in kicking and screaming

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That you you know it was very strange when and I'm.

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I can remember the years that would have been to probably around 2,000 anyways.

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So we had gone around the world. Alex and I had gone around the world following the summit, and we were wallpaper like, and I loved that.

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I was just wallpaper. I remember people didn't even know I I I was

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I was the friend of the guy that originally had that conversation that's all I was, and and I liked it because, like, okay, I don't have to lead the room.

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I remember, though, when I asked Alice, what do you think about bringing the summit to Toronto, and he goes no way, and I said, What do you mean?

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He says, I like to travel, and I said, and I not like not forever, but just.

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But but I knew Grace that once we came forward we would have responsibility for the summit.

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You'd have to do something right so that's probably where it started.

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I. in those days we chose 2 years hence. so we had to work for 2 years on bringing the summit to Toronto and

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And then, yeah, you kind of get the fever of it, you know.

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Once once you look behind the curtain. Now you know the whole story right, and

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It was magic for me in 94. It was I I didn't finish that story, but I remember looking up on the stage.

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They were the the 5 of them were in their their their huddle, and they said, Talk amongst yourself.

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And so we're talking and i'm looking around the room still assessing, and I look up at the stage, and it looks kind of like the landmark stage, and and there's a easel there and there's supposed

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to be a thing for the big book there's a big book right?

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And no frigging book There was no book grace and i'm looking at the 5 of them, and there's no book there, and i'm not a training manual where it actually goes.

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Oh, my God, what are they? they're making it up as they're going along?

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They're they're creating in the moment and that moment, Grace I just, I said to landmark just not worthy, not worthy.

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Oh, my God! I was blown okay, Shit! And they were, look they they!

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They opt the 5 of them, and I know you. You saw them.

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They operated like such a unit. Oh, it was beautiful to watch them, you know.

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But yeah, Sorry I became a facility but I didn't jump in.

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I jumped in with baby toe, and I remember it was the first retreat.

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I thought, Okay, i'm gonna try and sneak into the retreat and Cat was standing outside of the retreat, and and she goes.

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Look who the wind has blown it, cause I I I figured they're not gonna let me in, You know.

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I declare, 2 years ago I haven't done anything anyways it was it beautiful?

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It was beautiful, and one of the roles that you've played, and and not certainly not the only one of the roles that you've played as a facilitator is music facilitation you know for

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for those who haven't have yet to attend an annual summit event or any of our other events.

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Music is an integral part of the summit and I say music is an integral part of who we are as people of African descent, you know, like you, get a beat going and expect us to not bob ahead. or tap it toe I mean that's just

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unreasonable right? And so we have.

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We have music in the breaks we facilitate with music, and the music is always designed to further the conversation, and to first the energy of the room.

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So talk a little bit about that. Well, it's it's really interesting.

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That I had forgotten. So the first business my brother and I started. I was 15.

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He was 17 was music like we played, we were disc jockeys, black prints, disc jockey service.

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We played played, played weddings and high school dances, and what then?

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When I went to University I we stopped it just before Disco, and now the parts of it I didn't like was the setup and the breakdown.

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You know the extra 4 h because you're carrying albums, and you're carrying equipment and these huge speakers.

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I knew how to play music, though I did know how to play music, and I can't remember oh, actually it was ha Second Highland Park.

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I was walking into the facilitator meeting, and I had missed it.

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Everybody was walking out. I was walking in so I had no idea what I was gonna do, and one of the early summits where I didn't.

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I I say, Okay. Well, I can always be a participant.

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And Susan and susan's you know way she says, she goes.

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We don't have any music and i'm thinking myself how the he did not have music like someone always has music, and she goes, you know, can you help.

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And we ran through the building, and we found a kind of like a a boom box right.

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It was so old, though, you couldn't plug it into the pa system. and Jan, you know Jan Jan Campbell Jan had a CD.

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Mix. I think I had a CD at just bob that day of of Bob Marlley songs, and that's what we did for Friday.

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That's what we played, and then I and ask people you know if you have any music, please bring it, and people brought music.

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I mean we had music that you could have played for a week.

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I love music like I love for me i the 2 most important things in my life.

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I have an ipad. Alex, my son, put all the music that I had on vinyl on tape on CD.

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He put it all in this this ipad about 35,000 songs, and then Brianna, my daughter, got me a speaker, and when I've had that speaker in that ipad I can't I can

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live I you know that's that's my world. So So say a little bit about how you decide, or how you select a song to conversation to further transformation to further the yeah, No.

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It is the it is the conversation like you're listening to the conversation and And then, if you know the music is like, Okay, so what is what song, What theme is it that we need here?

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And then you play that theme so you're listening the you're facilitating the conversation. you're listening to the conversation.

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And as you say it's not just entertainment it's not.

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Yes, it's great you also want to pay attention what happened.

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Do the people need to dance Now, do people need to think now? I Okay.

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So this is very Huh! What What song would you play right now in this in this environment.

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If you were if you don't know me by Now, if you don't know me, I know you that that any .

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Great. I mean i've known. you for a long time grace. If you don't know me by you don't know me, but you know you think of the the great conversations I love about the summit, are the off conversations

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when you're I remember, with Oh, God and we we summit wasn't, I think it was ferguson, and I sat all night with another minutes with his minister, and we sat all night and we were talking we talked it was

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such a deep, deep conversation, and then you look here watches 5 o'clock in the morning.

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It's like what the hell are we doing but you and I have had deep conversations, you know, and I see you as part of my family, for sure I mean the reality is that even the stuff I've gone through since 2,000 and

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18 I've turned to this this summit so many times for my support. and I don't know what I would have done it if I didn't have the family, but but the yeah, the music is so important and you know

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Conrad will tell you this, that the role of the facilitator is to listen.

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I recognize. It was the same that same time at the Highland Park Summit, and the Second Highland Part summit was right.

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After Katrina and this lady had given me her music, and she said, Okay, this side of the music is second line.

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I didn't know what second line was but apparently some music.

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You play after the person goes to the grave in new orleans, and then they're coming back and and they're you're celebrating that, you know they're going back to God and I had never heard it and I

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played it, and people came out on the on the They were.

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They were not just dancing. They were Emotional about it because lots of people had to have left North New Orleans.

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That's when I saw the power and cheek came up to me, and she said, Look, I know it's the way you're playing the music yesterday, and you were listening to the comments.

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I said, I found myself saying I was taught to do that.

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I was trained to do that, and that's when I realized Yeah, you know, at 15, when I was doing that's what it was about.

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It's very special. it's very very special let me ask you on another question.

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Thank you for sharing all of that you know, as somebody, you know, who has known you a long time, I remember, and I think probably there are plenty of people in the international lifestyle who are do not know that here in

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Toronto. many years ago you had a local television show.

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He was Now I was first introduced to you you were the black Guy.

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I'll be a one black guy don't go Tv show all those decades ago, and so and that went.

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And you were Trevor. You were Trevor at that time.

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So if you look at yourself at that point in your life, that young young man, how old were you with being at that point?

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Pretty young. maybe 30, I guess I don't know I had ball, black hair, and I was only about a £140.

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So it was a long, long, long time ago. You might even have been younger than that.

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And yeah, and and so if you look at that young man, let's say in your twentys and you look at you.

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You know that, Trevor Wilson, and you look at yourself today.

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This Peter Trevor Wilson what's that and what would you say?

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The Summit's contribution has lead to that arc and your growth and development as a human being cool that's a great question.

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So the arc was, I think, even at 30, maybe.

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I think it started at 27. My search really started at 27.

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Nobody ever tells you this in school, but you have a list that you're supposed to do like right.

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You know you get you get your work if you get your check you get your kid check. You get your house, check. You get your car check, check, check, check check check and at the end of the check it's both equal happiness right?

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So I did the checkpoint. I did it really quickly.

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And at 27 years old, I remember coming downstairs i'm this gorgeous house beautiful wife kid upstairs got everything, maybe not the dog yet, but, like all of it and i'm supposed to be happy like

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i've got it all you're supposed to be happy and i'm like where the what the you know like It's not there.

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That was the beginning of the end for me. I call it my quarter of quarterly prices, and and that's when my spiritual search started.

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So the summit was not too long after that and the summer was just.

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It's just perfect timing for me to go and and question If you watch both movies about Obama.

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There's the movie when he's around 18 years on his drops trying to figure stuff out.

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He knows I think that he's supposed to do something but he doesn't know what it is right, and that's where I was at in my twenties that part of the Arc. I knew I was didn't know exactly what

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it is, you know, human equity and the business side of it.

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I was just kind of following along I got a pretty good job at one of the banks here, and you know, from a Jamaican perspective, and my family just banking is a big deal like Jamaicans get driven bankers

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get driven around It's a big deal so my dad was real happy.

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Jamaica Yeah, and I but I I I I hated it, Grace.

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I mean I was, so I sucked at it so bad.

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That was the worst banker in the history of the trial, the Dominion Bank, and luckily I had a Supervisor Dominion Bank for those that banking, and I had a supervised best supervisor

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ever had, and he would take me out at least once a month and we'd get drunk together, and you'd eventually get the place that you're not supposed to be here and i'd be what are you talking about.

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He goes it goes here, You're Not a banker I mean?

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What do you talk about? kind of masters degree in economics?

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You took me through your Bank Lab training program and you go.

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No, no, he goes There's a manual procedures here at the Toronto Menu Bank. he said.

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There's actually 4 of them and he goes I don't even think you know where they are.

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And if you knew where they are you you wouldn't read them, and if you read, you wouldn't follow them and be so angry with him, I said, How do you know he goes?

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You're not a banker, and he did that every month for 2 years, and finally I quit and went into television and and politics.

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But the arc Once I knew I was supposed to do something there's a prayer that I do now, and it ends.

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Let me become all you plan for me when my seed was selected by you to sprout and prosper in the world.

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So where I'm sitting now at the end of the arc is spirit, has said, Okay, you know what he's supposed to do.

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So go do it. I was talking to an elder the other day said the same thing.

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He said. You know what you're supposed to do just just go do it deliver it.

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You got 18 years right? Make sure Make sure you deliver it because you're gonna stick around into yeah and all of us.

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This is all of us. we're all here to deliver something, and the summit has been a core part of it from a guidance perspective.

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And yeah and it's very excited you know i've been a Sabbatical for a a year out here in Niagara Falls, which nobody really knew where I was including me.

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It it's been it's been good it's been good having a year away from from the the typical, you know.

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Stuff that that you have in toronto toronto operates a 150,000 miles an hour.

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This place doesn't and I needed that slower pace to kind of figure out.

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Okay, what are we gonna do for the next 18 years I can't remember if I answer your question.

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So i'm i'm gonna just change direction just a little bit, just looking at somebody.

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If you were to speak to somebody who would never done the summit i'd never heard about the summit.

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I didn't know anything about it what are like the top 2, or maybe 3 things you would tell them what would be the most important things you think it would be important for them to know.

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I probably would start with what it's not you know it's not a conference.

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It's not a linear with an agenda there's some obviously some peak parts of it that are linear So you kind of get.

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You got to warn people here's what it's not like you know.

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I think it's been amazing what we've managed to do virtually in the past. 3 years, you know when Covid hit I had no idea what we could do, and you know folks like Conrad and and

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Joyce. They they are. They are world leaders on how to use this technology to reach people, I mean and keep them engaged for 4 days.

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I mean if you count the thursday that's amazing absolutely amazing.

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So I would tell them I I would I would tell them you know It's kind of like suspending disbelief when you go to a a play like suspend your disbelief especially the people that have background

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in in places like landmark because you know there's some folks that think some of those things they're the answer to the world.

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And I guess the criticism people Have had about the summit is we're not doing anything, but we are empowering folks that are doing things, you know, like the people we come here to get source.

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We get source, and we go into the world to do what we have to do.

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And that is really essential. it's essential work given the amount that has to be done for us as black people around the world.

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And then the last thing is really because of the technology we have the capability grace of reaching every single black person in the world.

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By way of this technology That is something that we couldn't have said, back in 1991 and and it's why not?

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You know. Why not we? Yeah, you're gonna have to figure out the time things like, Okay, we we did this year where we had people in different satellites and some folks in Chicago.

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Some folks here, some folks there, and it's a that's a beautiful thing, and so there will always be an element of the summit.

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That is virtual in in my opinion i'm really i'm really anxious to get back to the retreat, because I know that the retreats again are just so much and that's family like we take over a house right

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if you'll remember the retreats my favorite one was in washing, can you take over a house and and you cook and you buy food?

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And it's just so cool like you know it's the way family should operate right.

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So So I look forward to that Yeah, that's great thank you and it's true, you know, the purpose of the international black Summit is to provide an opportunity for participants to bring into being their vision for the black community, and the world and so it

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has been a practice in the past for the summit as an organization to not take on projects, particularly

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But for me the international Black Summit shows up as a as an incubator, an incubation space where people come and they come with their ideas, and they come with their energy, and they come with their lives and they in this space the

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game clarity. They clarify their, they refine vision.

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They, they, you know take on you know their own projects, and and clarify for themselves what they want, and then go out into the world.

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And so, if we were to look at the kind of projects that summer part summit participants have taken on in the world, I mean, we would spend a long time going through all of the many creations that summit participants have brought into the

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world. So as the summit space, as a space of incubation for me is a beautiful thing, absolutely have. As we begin to go towards the end of this, I do still have a couple of questions questions for you before we wrap up

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We just we talked about the pandemic a little bit, so what would you say?

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Are the biggest things you learned about yourself. As a result of the pandemic

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I think so. i'm a social animal, even though all my kids, I think are introverted i'm i'm pretty extroverted.

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You know I get paid to speak, and so I know how to speak.

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I think that what the pandemic is does introduce me to what I was.

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That distinction I made before, solitude, and loneliness, and, as you may know, in England, they have a minister responsible for loneliness, and and it's serious business like you know i've lived here for

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a year by myself. it's been very very interesting you know it's solitude is great, probably, when it's chosen, but loneliness is not so great because it's not chosen and so I went

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through loneliness this year, and came to the realization.

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I don't think I wanna dial out I probably hadn't thought about it very much before I came out here, and then I got sick out here.

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Kind of covid route related and it's like Okay, I don't want to.

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I'm not gonna i'm not gonna die alone. so that that thing and loneliness can be really frigging painful like It's it's painful and I know that what covid has done

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for lots of people that are shut in, and not, and before I came out here I I took care of a an uncle, my favorite uncle and he

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I took him from the last 3 years of his life, and

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I saw loneliness, you know I I saw it.

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I saw a I saw the grieving as well. He had allowed my the aunt that my favorite she had passed away. but I swear to God grace, and and this goes into the summit and the declaration we

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have work to do to make sure that people who are lonely that we've reached them because it's part of the declaration, you know nurturing relationships and and what not So that's I think that

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that that's for me a big learning i'm even so. yeah, I'm going back in november first to Toronto.

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And whatnot and then there's some reluctance to do that.

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But the reality is that's where the people are like when I go back to ,

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So it's cool though this guy I love toronto I do.

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I don't like I do not like Toronto when winter but I love Toronto, and all along be there for a long time.

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I Gotcha. Okay, this might be the last question we'll see.

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This might be the last question. No guarantees. What are 3 wishes that you have for the world right now?

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What are 3 wishes that you have for the world? Right?

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Hmm! So one of the trends to Trevor, from Trevor to Peter is learning about the fruit of the spirit.

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And you know for those of you that do get into that stuff. There's 9 of them, you know there's face gentleness. Goodness!

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Hope well hopes not one. I I usually add your whole joy, kindness, love, patience, peace, self-control.

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So if I take those and you know i'm trying to get better at all of them.

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Kindness, which is my spiritual principle for this year is really important, and you can see it when you're driving on the street, that some people are one.

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Step away from road rage and it's it's you know it.

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It's better to show to show kindness because people are right on the edge, you know, and I think it's weak.

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We kind of adjusted to this thing called covid like it's normal, and it's not normal.

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This is huge. what we've gone through over the past 2 and a half years.

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It's huge and and we have post traumatic stress. there's a lot of people walking around with post-traumatic stress.

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And so kindness, I think, is a big part of it.

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Love, and i'm not talking about the love that the beatles used to sing about I mean

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I had a spiritual coach once who said you know don't take love as your next principle, because love is too hard, I said, What are you talking about?

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You know, loving words are fine and loving, thoughts are fine and loving. Actions are easy enough, but loving reactions right?

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Somebody spits in your face, and you hold them, and you hud them.

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And yeah, I mean like real love that's what i'm talking about that real love stuff that the great leaders talked about.

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We got a we got to bring that up, and and and not just take it, and not just take it as as kind of a throw away.

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And then the the name, you know, Peter, is as as you know it's it has a lot to do with faith.

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I choose to present faith from a fearlessness perspective.

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That you know I don't believe Faith in fear can sit in the same in the same space.

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If fear is there, then faith is not their vice versa.

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Now you go back and forth. I do think that given what We've gone through

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What's happened with the George floyd situation what's happening with the You know the me, too, moving etc. that we gotta have faith.

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We gotta have some faith, Grace, that we can do it like you know we're capable.

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You take the the the declaration That declaration has been arrested in 91.

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You and I have been working on unfolding that declaration in the world that that takes faith that takes you know and it takes a body.

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That's why, we call it the body it takes the body you're doing something to contribute.

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I'm doing something contributed where all of us are doing something contribute, and I think faith is the thing that keeps us going.

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So I think those would be the 3 and I do have I've I've done there's a thing in in the Bible about spiritual gifts.

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There's about 25 or 26 of them and I have the gift called exhortation, and exhortation actually means exhortation means encouragement.

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But somebody, somebody who is the gift of exhortation.

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They start with a a little pat on the back and and and then they'll they'll kind of whisper something to you.

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And then they say it in a full voice. Then they shout and then they kick you in the ass.

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That's, exhortation so so so if if you're gonna ask, and and i've done coaching lots of go together summit, and by the time we get to the ask kicking point which it's it's it gets

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your attention for sure that's great Well, thank you for those wishes kindness, love, and faith.

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Thank you for that. So I said that it might be my last question, and it wasn't my next question What is your vision?

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We say that the purpose of the summers for participants to bring into being their fission for the black community and the world?

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What is your vision for the black community of the tongue? actually 2,001 archbishop, 2 2.

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And he was doing a speech on employment equity, and as a lawyer, you know, employment, equity is a legislative thing, and he slept.

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And he said, human equity, and then the still silent voice spoke to me and said, You know he he doesn't know what he just said, but it's a thing human equity.

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It's a thing. follow it, and I did I started to follow it, and I did know what it was, and when into the air of human capital in 2,007. I wrote an article on Human Equity, and they published it a magazine

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published it. and then I went to my Laurie, and I said, I want to protect this, because most people don't know it was a black Jamaican that created the area of human capital in 1,962 It was stolen

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by a German guy, but it was created by a jamaican and I said, That's not gonna happen with human equity.

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And so they took it to a ip lawyer and he's like well, i'm sure we can trade market.

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It's kind of like trademarking water I said, Well, I have this article, and he goes okay.

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So, and we did. We protected it. got the trademark out the call, and then wrote a book in 2,013 on it.

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So my vision is to carry that to the world it's it. it's, you know, there's a case study about a small oil and gas company in 2,014 that pretty well took the book.

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And just did the book, and as a result of it they the share price went went past a 100 year, average, and their employee engagement score went through the roof, and the CEO who was a multi millionaire at the

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time said it's cause of this human equity stuff, because there's nothing else we did between 2014 2018 except this human equity stuff, and and that's basically the claim to fame and and I by over the next 18

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years. I want as many people to know what human equity is about, and for our people as black people and all human equities by is, how do you maximize on the total human capital that's available to you?

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And you can do that with one person. You can do a 1,000 people.

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You can do the 100,000 people we have to do it with every black person on earth.

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But if they can maximize their total human potential, then you know one, the world would be better, and we will be better.

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The last book I have to write is the spiritual approach to human equity.

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So that's what i'm going to try to do over the next 8 months, and I don't use that word try very much.

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But yeah, that I don't like to write I like to talk, but I don't like to write so there's certain there's a certain piece of that.

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But I but yeah, you know I I I know that's Why, I've got to do.

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I've gotta finish it off and Well, what is the world look like once this human equity, or the spiritual approach to human equity is a reality in the world.

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What does the world look like

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So. Oh, let's invite everybody to my funeral let's just get this over with that

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So. so. so my funeral is gonna be very very simple there's 3 quotes that the answer to your to your

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To your question. is in 3 quotes and They're in the last book that I wrote one is a quote by Marianne Williamson.

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Everybody's heard it. It was an account and the B.

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There's a quote by Robert call your it was written in 1,850.

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One that goes directly. it just picks up where her quote ends, And then there's a quote by Jordan, our shawn.

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I think he was actually an atheist at the time where he basically says, Look, you know my life, I want my my, I want my life to burn as as brightly as as a torch beforehanded handing it on to future

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generations. those 3 quotes I want red at my funeral c.

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That's all I want I mean I don't want music and and all of the hymns, and all that just read.

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You can read them, Grace, if you want, just read the 3 quotes, and then go to the tunestone on the tune, So it has to be written.

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There are no accents in the universe. Did you ever read the book to sell steam prophecies.

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It's like a 100 years old alright that was the book that touched me so deep in my spiritual search.

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And the first one is there's no such thing as a coincidence. you know things unfold exactly as they should, and and your only reason you struggle is when you are not unfolding with the preciseness of the universe because again

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it's never wrong, so make sure it says there's no accents on the universe.

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And you can put the birthday in the end date and and put the name, and then go and have as much curry.

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Goat and boxdale, and white rice, and drink and dance, and have great music.

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It should take 8 min. The whole thing takes a minute okay I'm. I'm.

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A little confused. first of all very interesting plan for your your very interesting plan, and the quote sound like great quotes.

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I think that I think I know the quotes that you're referring to, and I don't know if we should take a moment to to recite them.

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But i'm not sure if you were answering my question about what the world would look like.

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So so you know The The concept around around human equity is that we are all created to do something.

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Now you were created, do something different than me but when you're doing it.

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You feel you you know it, you know there's one of my teachers created an area called Unique Ability, Penny.

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You've got to have 2 things you've gotta be great at this thing, and you love to do it.

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You're you're in a psychological state called flow and time seems to pass.

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I remember I was trying to explain to my mom, before she transitioned and I said, Mom, Okay, so so we're all here to do something.

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Your unique ability to points to it. And I said, You gotta have both things.

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You gotta love it, and you gotta be great at it. And I said, you got anything like that, mom. She goes.

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Yeah, I said, what is it? She goes cooking now? grace I know your mom's a good cook, Jamaican cook, but my mom's at my mom's funeral.

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They talked only about the ox. tell and the curry go that's how and and I just I didn't know she loved it.

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It was a labor of love. Grace, she Christmas dinner started 2 months, you know.

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You talk about slow cooking that's real slow cooking all of us have something that we're here to deliver .

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And what it would look like is people and I don't know if i'll see it.

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But you know that's the vision people doing what they're supposed to be doing what they were brought here to do, and that's what those 3 quotes do.

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The 3 quotes basically. you know the Marianne Williamson quote just to it, basically said, don't don't hold it small like you got something.

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Take take the bushel off. show your light the call year. quote. basically, then says the reason you were given this thing is because you're supposed to share it with 7 billion people.

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You weren't supposed to just show it share it with your family or what I'm sharing, and then the Robert call your quote is basically that look, we've got to if you don't do that you're wasting your

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life. You're gonna be the selfish little cloud of ailments complaining that the world will not make it make you happy.

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And that's what i'm that's what i'm brought here to do it took me a long time to realize.

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But that's what i'm brought here to do thank you and I have this I i'm clear on the vision of that future where we are all doing what we love, doing.

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What we love living lives that we love. the purpose that is fulfilling and meaningful to us.

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Absolutely. and they all count like, you know. I remember that story they used to tell about Werner in the Forum. you know where he finds the Janet, or Were you doing cleaning the toilets, and then he

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takes him all the way through and says no i'm creating an environment for you.

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So you can go do the work. It it all fits.

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We all have something to do. Look at, joyce I mean you know I love Joyce.

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I've known joyce for years but joyce in my opinion is the kind of the world expert on doing what we're doing right now.

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Our virtual team leader, who's managing this zoom session as we speak.

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Thank you, Joy, that's correct, and she also has the slight change in Maine.

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From Joyce. Well, thank you, Peter. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

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